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Isn't 60 million a bit too much?
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Japan has double the population and most of the surface is unfit for residential use, so no.
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Japan has double the population and most of the surface is unfit for residential use, so no.
Perhaps that's why its old population is rapidly increasing and it has been in economic distress for years now?
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Perhaps that's why its old population is rapidly increasing and it has been in economic distress for years now?
Britain or Japan? Sounds like both.
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Being an island has sod all to do with it. We're just not evenly distributed. There are huge parts of the country with nobody living there. Use the space more sensibly and we're fine.
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Perhaps that's why its old population is rapidly increasing and it has been in economic distress for years now?
First point makes no sense.
Most of the civilised world is in 'economic distress'. Japan's economy is quite strong, considering the spending that was necessary to quell the banking crisis and recent horrific natural disasters.

This country isn't over populated.
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First point makes no sense.
Most of the civilised world is in 'economic distress'. Japan's economy is quite strong, considering the spending that was necessary to quell the banking crisis and recent horrific natural disasters.

This country isn't over populated.
Japan has been doing poorly for much longer than the West

No, that spending was not necessary.
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Japan has been doing poorly for much longer than the West

No, that spending was not necessary.
Japan's economy is stronger than ours atm (not the same level of growth, but fantastic GDP) - probably because their workforce is larger than our whole population.

But this isn't about Japan - its clear that the UK isn't over populated.

Now I wouldn't want to see the population rise too much (at least not until unemployment and housing are prioritised by the government), but its nothing to panic about. There are bigger fish to fry.
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Japan has been doing poorly for much longer than the West

No, that spending was not necessary.
Quite a jump from your claim to your conclusion, where's your working?
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If we kicked out all the right-wing bigots it would take the pressure off the housing shortage.
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If we kicked out all the right-wing bigots it would take the pressure off the housing shortage.
If we kicked out everyone on the right then Cornwall might sink...
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Isn't 60 million a bit too much?
We're the 51st most densely populated country/territory in the world. Stop overreacting.

You have tiny places like Singapore and Monaco with both a large population and a highly successful economy. The difference between those countries and ours is that they bother to invest in high density infrastructure.
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Isn't 60 million a bit too much?
Not at all, something like only 20% of the UK is populated. We can happily cope with an increased population provided appropriate infrastructure investment takes place.

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Perhaps that's why its old population is rapidly increasing and it has been in economic distress for years now?
No. Birth rates across east Asia are very low such that China and Japan will both lose over a third of their population by centuries end based on current birth rates. This is also the case in Russia and the eastern block. The Anglosphere is around replacement level or a tad above (though immigrants push it up since they tend to breed) so its more a cultural thing.

Their economic woes are impacted by the falling labour force but there are many factors impacting that.
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Isn't 60 million a bit too much?
Probably? Someone mentioned Japan (which is geographically bigger) but then again, maybe the Japanese spend more on 'the public good'.

It doesn't help that the population isn't evenly spread.

Plenty of room up here in Scotland
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Probably? Someone mentioned Japan (which is geographically bigger) but then again, maybe the Japanese spend more on 'the public good'.

It doesn't help that the population isn't evenly spread.

Plenty of room up here in Scotland
Japan has 3 islands, each of which is about the size of England. Population density is even worse in distribution in Japan, the greater Tokyo area is one of the largest in the world.

They manage though and they have less mineral wealth than the UK. In the modern world you can import if your a rich country even if not ideal.
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Isn't 60 million a bit too much?
Glasgow, Liverpool and Manchester all used to hold double their current population.

East Anglia is basically empty
Between Preston and Glasgow is basically empty
North of Dundee is basically empty
Mid and north Wales is basically empty
Northern Ireland outside Belfast is basically empty
Cornwall and Devon are basically empty
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Plenty of room up here in Scotland
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The highlands has a population density of 8.6 people per square kilometer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_(council_area)
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Japan has double the population and most of the surface is unfit for residential use, so no.
Fallacy - 'because they do, it's fine for us to'.

60 million seems a reasonable number, but I wouldn't want it going much higher.


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Fallacy - 'because they do, it's fine for us to'.

60 million seems a reasonable number, but I wouldn't want it going much higher.
a) You appear to agree with me any way.
b) It's not a fallacy. I've just used an example to show that a modern nation can easily cope with a population our size.
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(Original post by William Turtle)
Fallacy - 'because they do, it's fine for us to'.

60 million seems a reasonable number, but I wouldn't want it going much higher.


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Expected to breach 70 around 2027 as things stand. The upper bound if birth rate increased and we increased immigration was according to the ONS breaching 100m around 2090.
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