The Student Room Group
Reply 1
Chris L
Anyone considering, undertaking or completed their PPL or higher?
I'm thinking of going to Florida one summer for my PPL (Helicopter) if I raise enough money...


Chris


I started it but gave up. Couldn't afford it at the time. Now I can afford it but can't be bothered.
Reply 2
No, never bothered; the CAA are a bunch of rip-off merchants.
Reply 3
getting a private pilot's licence cost thousands of £s doesn't it? why not attempt to join teh RAF, at least you are doing something for your country whist also fullfilling your pilkoting wishes
Reply 4
Started when I was 12, used to fly about once a month but haven't been for the last few years.
A few different reasons really - didn't have the time due to exams etc, and instructor changed and I didn't really like the new one.
I have somewhere between 15 and 20 hours clocked up at the moment. Think I'd covered most of the pratical stuff, just need to sit the exams and build my hours up to the required limit (plus do the solos and cross country flights).
Reply 5
If you can't be bothered, perhaps flying is not for you.
Reply 6
mark1010
If you can't be bothered, perhaps flying is not for you.


... as a professional pilot in the RAF for some time now, I think you'll find flying is probably the thing I love more than anything else.

I just refuse to spend hundreds of pounds to the CAA to "validate" my logbook, assess my flying experience and then charge me over £100 per hour to do a few relatively basic tests when I've got the level of experience I do.

It's not worth over £1000 to move from flying what I do during the week to fly a knackered 1970s Cessna at the weekend.
Reply 7
Soulfish
I have somewhere between 15 and 20 hours clocked up at the moment. Think I'd covered most of the pratical stuff, just need to sit the exams and build my hours up to the required limit (plus do the solos and cross country flights).


You have most certainly not covered most of the practical stuff with 15-20 hours under your belt, and if you don't even know how many hours you have then you certainly aren't that committed!

The airmanship levels come with experience; and you need to be willing to learn constantly. If you think aged 17 or so with a handful of hours that you're experienced enough to fly around the UK on your own without needing to learn anything else, then you're lacking in a little bit of maturity.

Flying's superb; by all means pursue it, learn, develop your handling skills and airmanship, but don't be complacent by the hours limit for a PPL; otherwise you'll find yourself rapidly in situations you can't cope with.
Reply 8
rasmusess
getting a private pilot's licence cost thousands of £s doesn't it? why not attempt to join teh RAF, at least you are doing something for your country whist also fullfilling your pilkoting wishes


It doesn't quite work like that. Anyone who joins the RAF as an "easy" way into qualifying for licenses is in for a shock!
Reply 9
Wzz
You have most certainly not covered most of the practical stuff with 15-20 hours under your belt, and if you don't even know how many hours you have then you certainly aren't that committed!

The airmanship levels come with experience; and you need to be willing to learn constantly. If you think aged 17 or so with a handful of hours that you're experienced enough to fly around the UK on your own without needing to learn anything else, then you're lacking in a little bit of maturity.

Flying's superb; by all means pursue it, learn, develop your handling skills and airmanship, but don't be complacent by the hours limit for a PPL; otherwise you'll find yourself rapidly in situations you can't cope with.


I did mention that I hadn't flown for a little under two years. I had to postpone it to concentrate on my A-Levels hence why I can't remember off the top of my head how many hours I'd clocked up.
Also I was talking about the things that needed to be covered before I could do my first solo and cross country flights. I was by no means expecting to get to 20 hours worth of flight time and just know everything - that would be stupid, and as you said immature.

Flying was a hobby for me, something that was most certainly very enjoyable. I hope to be able to continue with it at some point in the not too distant future, and once started to continue flying - there just wouldn't be any point in me getting a license and the minimum number of hours just to leave it at that :tongue:
Reply 10
Soulfish
I did mention that I hadn't flown for a little under two years. I had to postpone it to concentrate on my A-Levels hence why I can't remember off the top of my head how many hours I'd clocked up.
Also I was talking about the things that needed to be covered before I could do my first solo and cross country flights. I was by no means expecting to get to 20 hours worth of flight time and just know everything - that would be stupid, and as you said immature.

Flying was a hobby for me, something that was most certainly very enjoyable. I hope to be able to continue with it at some point in the not too distant future, and once started to continue flying - there just wouldn't be any point in me getting a license and the minimum number of hours just to leave it at that :tongue:

same as me pretty much, i have sooo many hours for a student, like 80 or something, of that like 15 solo, but i have had 3 instructors and the weather has been bad for months so whenever i start i always end up doing review and never advance..... there were tons of brits at the ground school i went to cuz its cheaper here
Reply 11
Wzz
... as a professional pilot in the RAF for some time now, I think you'll find flying is probably the thing I love more than anything else.

I just refuse to spend hundreds of pounds to the CAA to "validate" my logbook, assess my flying experience and then charge me over £100 per hour to do a few relatively basic tests when I've got the level of experience I do.

It's not worth over £1000 to move from flying what I do during the week to fly a knackered 1970s Cessna at the weekend.



I was talking about those who seem to have taken a permanent break from flying training and to those who cannot fly at this time and can't be bothered to learn
Reply 12
Ah, finally a thread based on private civilian flying!

I have a JAR PPL so I think I need to clear up some points here:

PLAN - RESEARCH - PLAN

Those that say they gave it up, haven't enough time, been moved around instructors etc. These are all excuses made up because you did not plan and research the best way to go about it.

I gained my PPL whilst doing 3 AVCE's at school and holding a job at 17. You need more dedication if you want to make it as a pilot.

wzz, I seem to remember having a few opinions that conflicted yours some time ago. All I will say is if you don't think civilian flying is rewarding that is your choice, but I can't think of anything better, (but I am not an RAF Pilot).

What is it that motivates people to learn to fly? Most people have reasons (e.g. such as their parents were pilots), I don't have any real knowledge of where my desire to fly came from.

I am also interested to talk to anyone else out there who is a Private Pilot, don't often get a chance to talk to them!
Reply 13
DRS
Ah, finally a thread based on private civilian flying!

I have a JAR PPL so I think I need to clear up some points here:

PLAN - RESEARCH - PLAN

Those that say they gave it up, haven't enough time, been moved around instructors etc. These are all excuses made up because you did not plan and research the best way to go about it.

I gained my PPL whilst doing 3 AVCE's at school and holding a job at 17. You need more dedication if you want to make it as a pilot.

wzz, I seem to remember having a few opinions that conflicted yours some time ago. All I will say is if you don't think civilian flying is rewarding that is your choice, but I can't think of anything better, (but I am not an RAF Pilot).

What is it that motivates people to learn to fly? Most people have reasons (e.g. such as their parents were pilots), I don't have any real knowledge of where my desire to fly came from.

I am also interested to talk to anyone else out there who is a Private Pilot, don't often get a chance to talk to them!


i am still training for the PPL........i have finished all of the theory exams (i reckon they are at least the standard of 3 GCSEs!)
Reply 14
DRS
wzz, I seem to remember having a few opinions that conflicted yours some time ago. All I will say is if you don't think civilian flying is rewarding that is your choice, but I can't think of anything better, (but I am not an RAF Pilot).


True; I find the challenge of military flying much more rewarding, and with the sort of things I do during my day job I don't think there's much attraction to taking out a lot of the fun stuff and doing the rest at the weekend.

However, I assume that you don't find yourself mentally and physically drained, drenched in sweat, and torn apart in debriefs after every trip; so private flying definately has things going for it!

Naturally, I'd enjoy taking friends and family flying, but I think racking up 100s of military hours a year means I really couldn't justify the extra expense of keeping up a frequently-lapsing PPL.

Glad you enjoy it though; it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same thing.

Stay out of the low flying system!!
Reply 15
Im actually quite interested in obtaining a PPL soon. I havent yet started training or anything and i have no experience whatsoever. I dont have the option of joining the RAF as I am not a British Citizen, however I do find the prospect of military flying much more interesting that private flying.

I was hoping to train for my licence while studying for University. Any advice on that? Do u think i'll have enough time? How long will it take to complete all the theory exams and the hours necessary. I am hoping to start sometime in October 2004 and finishing near June 2005 since that is when I'll be returning to my home country. Do u guys think thats a stretch? I'd be interested in hearing your opinions.

Thanks
Reply 16
kraslan
Im actually quite interested in obtaining a PPL soon. I havent yet started training or anything and i have no experience whatsoever. I dont have the option of joining the RAF as I am not a British Citizen, however I do find the prospect of military flying much more interesting that private flying.

I was hoping to train for my licence while studying for University. Any advice on that? Do u think i'll have enough time? How long will it take to complete all the theory exams and the hours necessary. I am hoping to start sometime in October 2004 and finishing near June 2005 since that is when I'll be returning to my home country. Do u guys think thats a stretch? I'd be interested in hearing your opinions.

Thanks


It depends completly on your own limits. I did mine at the same time as A-Levels and a part-time job and that was a struggle at times - of course very rewarding in the long run. The answer to your question "how long will it take?" the answer again is the time you spend studying and how well you can cope with stress. Some people could quite happily complete all hours within a short period along with the exams, other people can fail very early on. It depends how much free time you have and how much of that time you want to dedicate to it. I am not sure that you will be able to gain a UK licence if you do not live here as they need proof of this in application - to answer this you are better off getting specialist advice.

The current requirements for the grant of a JAR PPL are:

A minimum of 45 hours flying time, 25 hours of which must be dual. 10 hours also need to be completed solo - this must itself incorporate 5 hours cross country solo time. Within this you will need to complete a Qualifying Cross Country of 150nm landing at two other airfields.

The training itself will cover 19 different exercises which must be practised and learned well.

There are essentially seven theory exams:

1. Air Law
2. Navigation
3. Meterology
4. Human Performance
5. Communications
6. Flight Performance and Planning
7. Aircraft (General) and Principles of Flight

You have three attempts at each examination paper in each subject and there are penalties for failing. These all need to be completed within 18 months and are valid 24 months from the date of passing all.

You will also require an FRTOL for using radio equipment with your licence that will require a pass in a practical examination as well as the Communications paper.

You also need to make sure that you can pass full class 2 JAR medical requirements and obtain a certificate to keep your licence valid and allow you to go solo.

Once you have completed all these requirements you will then need to pass a skill test. This will make sure that you can act within the capacity of a JAR Private Pilot Licence.

This goes without saying the costs and time involved. Again the speed at which you get through it depends on you, it could take no more than 6 months or up to 50 years.

If you are planning to meet the requirements of a degree at the same time its going to get very tough.

I am not saying that you personally can't do it, but you have to seriously look at how you will do it.