Life in the 80s and 90s your thoughts?
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Original post by rad_student
I went to school in Pontefract during the coal miners strike which affected many;
I went to school in Pontefract during the coal miners strike which affected many;
You'd have something in common with my husband then. He grew up in Kinsley - maybe you've heard of it? It's near Pontefract. Just down the road from Hemsworth. Mining village - his dad was a miner. Most of his family still lives there.
He's only a smidgen younger than you - he'll be 38 in a couple of weeks time.
Once the early 90s came in in particular there was 'youth' (or 'yoof') TV with some of the same faces who are around today who now seem old before their time (considering what their 90s persona was) like Sarah Cox baking cakes.
Some of these programmes were slightly crude but what is striking is that the audiences, such as The Word, are often full of genuinely enthusiastic, young, people rather than the fat 40 years old still thinking they're young that you get clogging up Graham Norton's audiences now.
Youth entertainment was generally serious about the possibilities, energy and intellect of the young then and it lasted at least until TFI Friday. There was the sitcom Game On which had a strangely dark edge, both enjoying showing the mid 90s , still rather yuppy, student life whilst also suggesting the loneliness of its characters pre- mass internet, escaping from the dying days of the grey Major Conservative government that had more or less had the impression of derriding youth culture (including videogames) en masse. When Blair came in it didn't matter so much whether he was using pop stars to appear cooler. What mattered is that a prime minister was showing pop/rock respect, in a way that was possibly more visible than anything since Wilson showed support for the Beatles.
There were some niche American shows from the late 80s, a time when there was a shift from purely having traditionally 2.4 children family-centric entertainment on TV. BBC2 was a very interesting place for some high minded shows about popular culture and there was the likes of Seinfeld getting small audiences and British cult shows like The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer. Then Friends (and Frasier) became very popular on Channel 4.
It could be a very fertile time for a surreal mind, although maybe partly because it was so different from the dry tone of what popular entertainment sometimes was before. I personally think that TFI Friday at that time continues to stand the test of time.
Britpop music, Brit films like Trainspotting and new American indie people like Quentin Tarantino - (when indie meant that you genuinely had felt alienated with your comic book and your Smiths CDS, not that you spent your time sat in an indie bar) - it was an ideal time, a time before the audience imagined itself more skilled than the acts.
I won't hear bad things said about music in the 80s or early 90s. This is the time of The Smiths, The Stone Roses, REM, Crowded House, great house/dance acts and also more one hit wonders than can be named. Then the mid 90s saw Britpop which WAS an exciting time, especially with Euro 96 as well.
Pre- mass internet, there were some proper characters around in these times, not having to be so concerned with their every utterance being dissected by loads of nobodies every week. Some of them probably hate the Apple products school of music listener that there now is. Now, the audience seems to think itself cooler than the act which is often preposterous!
Some of these programmes were slightly crude but what is striking is that the audiences, such as The Word, are often full of genuinely enthusiastic, young, people rather than the fat 40 years old still thinking they're young that you get clogging up Graham Norton's audiences now.
Youth entertainment was generally serious about the possibilities, energy and intellect of the young then and it lasted at least until TFI Friday. There was the sitcom Game On which had a strangely dark edge, both enjoying showing the mid 90s , still rather yuppy, student life whilst also suggesting the loneliness of its characters pre- mass internet, escaping from the dying days of the grey Major Conservative government that had more or less had the impression of derriding youth culture (including videogames) en masse. When Blair came in it didn't matter so much whether he was using pop stars to appear cooler. What mattered is that a prime minister was showing pop/rock respect, in a way that was possibly more visible than anything since Wilson showed support for the Beatles.
There were some niche American shows from the late 80s, a time when there was a shift from purely having traditionally 2.4 children family-centric entertainment on TV. BBC2 was a very interesting place for some high minded shows about popular culture and there was the likes of Seinfeld getting small audiences and British cult shows like The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer. Then Friends (and Frasier) became very popular on Channel 4.
It could be a very fertile time for a surreal mind, although maybe partly because it was so different from the dry tone of what popular entertainment sometimes was before. I personally think that TFI Friday at that time continues to stand the test of time.
Britpop music, Brit films like Trainspotting and new American indie people like Quentin Tarantino - (when indie meant that you genuinely had felt alienated with your comic book and your Smiths CDS, not that you spent your time sat in an indie bar) - it was an ideal time, a time before the audience imagined itself more skilled than the acts.
I won't hear bad things said about music in the 80s or early 90s. This is the time of The Smiths, The Stone Roses, REM, Crowded House, great house/dance acts and also more one hit wonders than can be named. Then the mid 90s saw Britpop which WAS an exciting time, especially with Euro 96 as well.
Pre- mass internet, there were some proper characters around in these times, not having to be so concerned with their every utterance being dissected by loads of nobodies every week. Some of them probably hate the Apple products school of music listener that there now is. Now, the audience seems to think itself cooler than the act which is often preposterous!
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Original post by PinkMobilePhone
You'd have something in common with my husband then. He grew up in Kinsley - maybe you've heard of it? It's near Pontefract. Just down the road from Hemsworth. Mining village - his dad was a miner. Most of his family still lives there.
He's only a smidgen younger than you - he'll be 38 in a couple of weeks time.
He's only a smidgen younger than you - he'll be 38 in a couple of weeks time.
I was only there for 4 months; my doctor dad travelled, after Birkenhead, there was 6 months Boston, Sleaford, 1 year Grimsby.
This is becoming a reminiscence thread
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In mid 90s, watered down Fosters was 50p a pint in Madchester's student nights, with Grunge having its 90s heyday. I missed the Manchester bombing as I was away that weekend - I had seen Mcr Utd (or Salford United if you didn't like them) do the bus tour thru the city so it did look different. It also killed the city centre for good as people doing the big shop travelled to the Trafford Centre, whilst the Arndale & surrounding rebuilt, then never came back.
Coming back from a night out with late TV, my favs were The James Whale Radio Show & God's Gift - that show was pure objectification, but I didn't see so many women excited in the night outs so probably liked it. In 1 episode there was a Michael Jackson look alike & I thought he was sure to win with his moves & talent, alas more women 'held' another guy (i.e. you grab the guy you vote for) as when they become more than topless he was skinny.
[video="youtube;0l5rThwS3yo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5rThwS3yo[/video]
Travelling across Europe was financially harder with the different currencies, when I inter-railed across Western Europe before the Euro. Also you could trust other people more, I think? Meeting people from different countries was a novelty.
I think people had better teeth & eyes as both were free on the NHS, though my NHS specs were not cool - but they would be in fashion now!
Original post by rad_student
I was only there for 4 months; my doctor dad travelled, after Birkenhead, there was 6 months Boston, Sleaford, 1 year Grimsby.
This is becoming a reminiscence thread
--
In mid 90s, watered down Fosters was 50p a pint in Madchester's student nights, with Grunge having its 90s heyday. I missed the Manchester bombing as I was away that weekend - I had seen Mcr Utd (or Salford United if you didn't like them) do the bus tour thru the city so it did look different. It also killed the city centre for good as people doing the big shop travelled to the Trafford Centre, whilst the Arndale & surrounding rebuilt, then never came back.
Coming back from a night out with late TV, my favs were The James Whale Radio Show & God's Gift - that show was pure objectification, but I didn't see so many women excited in the night outs so probably liked it. In 1 episode there was a Michael Jackson look alike & I thought he was sure to win with his moves & talent, alas more women 'held' another guy (i.e. you grab the guy you vote for) as when they become more than topless he was skinny.
[video="youtube;0l5rThwS3yo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5rThwS3yo[/video]
Travelling across Europe was financially harder with the different currencies, when I inter-railed across Western Europe before the Euro. Also you could trust other people more, I think? Meeting people from different countries was a novelty.
I think people had better teeth & eyes as both were free on the NHS, though my NHS specs were not cool - but they would be in fashion now!
This is becoming a reminiscence thread
--
In mid 90s, watered down Fosters was 50p a pint in Madchester's student nights, with Grunge having its 90s heyday. I missed the Manchester bombing as I was away that weekend - I had seen Mcr Utd (or Salford United if you didn't like them) do the bus tour thru the city so it did look different. It also killed the city centre for good as people doing the big shop travelled to the Trafford Centre, whilst the Arndale & surrounding rebuilt, then never came back.
Coming back from a night out with late TV, my favs were The James Whale Radio Show & God's Gift - that show was pure objectification, but I didn't see so many women excited in the night outs so probably liked it. In 1 episode there was a Michael Jackson look alike & I thought he was sure to win with his moves & talent, alas more women 'held' another guy (i.e. you grab the guy you vote for) as when they become more than topless he was skinny.
[video="youtube;0l5rThwS3yo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5rThwS3yo[/video]
Travelling across Europe was financially harder with the different currencies, when I inter-railed across Western Europe before the Euro. Also you could trust other people more, I think? Meeting people from different countries was a novelty.
I think people had better teeth & eyes as both were free on the NHS, though my NHS specs were not cool - but they would be in fashion now!
That was the voice of recently convicted child molester Stuart Hall introducing Davina McCall unless I'm mistaken.
Original post by King Kebab
Depends where you were.
A working class town would be totally different to a rich area.
Thatcher decimated many places which is why she was so despised.
A working class town would be totally different to a rich area.
Thatcher decimated many places which is why she was so despised.
Thatcher did not decimate anyone or anything
the Unions had all ready done that
funnily enough i think you'll find the residentsof South Tyneside, Swindon and Derby have a rather different view
and you'll be surprised how many Miners have just as great a dislike for Scargill and cronies - to paraphrase
" he started that strike with a big union and a small house, lad, he finished that strike wi a big house, flat in London paid for by t'NUM and a tiny union especially after the Nottingham lads formed the UDM, once it a clear to the likes of the CEGB that they could ship coal half way round the world for less than it cost to dig it out an hole in the ground in Barnsley that finished us"
Original post by PQ
they wrote diaries instead
I've just realised that Adrian Mole is how I imagine a whole bunch of TSRians
I've just realised that Adrian Mole is how I imagine a whole bunch of TSRians
that's a good point, the first two Mole books would give the OP a good view of teenage life in the 1980s east midlands
for the benefit of the OP i was born in 77 , therefore can remember first hand from the Falklands era onwards
as for social media - does IRC count as social media , got my own email address(es) in 1996 - one of which i still have and have access to ... ( yes kiddies that's why you can't get a good hotmail address all us nearly middle aged people have got the firstname.lastname@ / firstname _lastname@ addys)
mobile comms wise CCP pager and charge card in 96 , mobile in 99 -
first used a mobile, well a 'car phone' in the early 1990s 2nd eldest cousin's hubby is an agronomist and had one in his company car as he was field based, ditto a family frpend who had a field based role ... in the early 90s still vast areas of the country out of range - no signal east of Kings Lynn for instance ... by 99 most ofthe geogrpahicalcoverage we have to day was in place but only pure 2G GSM so voice and SMS was it.
oh yeah and company cars were Ford / Vauxhall/ Rover / Peugeot not Binis , Audis and BMWs ,
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Youth culture: There was a lot less of a live and let live attitude from authority imo, more enforced conformity - and illeberal pompous officials/politicians to kick against - which is why the music was better... these days it seems like you've got to get your kicks hanging round conspiracy theory websites or weird libertarian political echo chambers from your bedroom.
here's a genuine (afaict) news report from 1986... the band had been barred by most of the councils on it's planned tour for having a lot of swearing in it's songs. There were needless to say more important things for MP's to be worrying about in 1986 than youngsters hearing swearing at punk gigs.
one of the MPs quoted was Geoffry Dickens who's in the news again now over establishment pedophile ring allegations, though at the time it seemed like he was on more of a general anti-gay crusade tbh... maybe why no one took him particularly seriously.
Some people on TSR seem mystified about how labour won in '97 - by then a lot of people had had enough of being told what music they could listen to and how they should live their lives by the national service era old guard tories like Dickens and Winterton. (of course now the country is being run by teflon oxbridge PPE clones who've never had a real job and tbh that's got it's problems too)
here's a genuine (afaict) news report from 1986... the band had been barred by most of the councils on it's planned tour for having a lot of swearing in it's songs. There were needless to say more important things for MP's to be worrying about in 1986 than youngsters hearing swearing at punk gigs.
one of the MPs quoted was Geoffry Dickens who's in the news again now over establishment pedophile ring allegations, though at the time it seemed like he was on more of a general anti-gay crusade tbh... maybe why no one took him particularly seriously.
Some people on TSR seem mystified about how labour won in '97 - by then a lot of people had had enough of being told what music they could listen to and how they should live their lives by the national service era old guard tories like Dickens and Winterton. (of course now the country is being run by teflon oxbridge PPE clones who've never had a real job and tbh that's got it's problems too)
Original post by ifmtg
So basically I am doing a research for life in the 80s and 90s in the UK ,can you tell me what life in the uk then what social media would be like if it existed.thanks in advance.
ok cant really vouch for the 80s (was 4 months old), but can for the 90s. we (kids) liked the spice girls, s club 7, steps, aqua and other cheesy ****.
Social media? no fb, msn (until early 00s), twitter, etc. Great way of keeping in touch with ppl but no cyber bullyling, etc. you bullied someone straight to their face!
I would not want to be a teen today!
Original post by arson_fire
I would say most of you guys are lucky not to have experienced the 80s. Mass unemployment, constant threat of nuclear war, industrial unrest, **** trains, **** buses, **** council houses, slum landlords, 6 month wait to get a phone in your house, no double glazing, no central heating, etc
Some of this is relevant now. Unemployment in this great recession peaked around 8-9%, albeit not quite as high in the 80s, but still high. Cost of living has increased, wages have flattened (so people are not as well off). We are still under threat from 'Islamic terrorism' so you could argue that its no better than it was back then.
Original post by rad_student
To add for fun: there was UCAS & PCAS - Unis & Polys application; before they started calling the polytechnics Universities & unless arts based polys were looked down at. In Madchester the Metro tram system meant Manchester polytechnic was shortened to Man Poly though they wanted to be called Man Met!
I filled out the paper application, learning to make lines for my personal statement. You waited for letters to interview, to reply to. I think newspapers printed clearing info.
1980s - Stock Aitken Waterman hit-machine = kylie minogue & other Neighbours actor/res (Still listen to Stefan Dennis the 1-hit-wonder); writers for many others.
1996 Spice Girls were a successfully manufactured band based on men's fantasy women - sporty, girly, posh bird, black woman & buxom. This is what a documentary said at the time.
I paid £100 for 1Gb (PC fair) in 1996 & 4Mb RAM stick was £70 in 1994, paid ~£50 for quad speed CD drive. I used QEMM to optimise my given 640K (base memory) RAM memory, think it only applied to 16bit software, hence Win95 was a PC revolution (wonder if macs already used them b4 PCs?). Geeky?
A student paid £240 for a second hand 17inch monitor that had a slight colour problem; sold his 14inch for £100. I never knew anything Apple until BUNAC's "Work America", Boston & was curious at them in 1996. I knew they were bad news then
. Back then people would sell you stolen car radios & TVs; PCs were long term investments.
At Uni: I used to say I'm a Microsoft fan (Encarta, MapPoint to plan my journeys otherwise buy an AtoZ of a city) & I'm a feminist (was & still am for equality).
I think it was technology that began off-shoring, as international communication was thru Fax machines.
I went to school in Pontefract during the coal miners strike which affected many; 1988 saw the riots on tv against the Poll Tax. Music was much better then & techno was Kraftwerk. Yorkshire was the first channel that went non-stop (24 hours) & I watched it - it was boring including a man talking in the shadows.
I did always enjoy Ceefax & Oracle (internet from the 1970-2000s) - the quiz Bamboozle on CH4!
Memories
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Its late, apologies for typos.
I filled out the paper application, learning to make lines for my personal statement. You waited for letters to interview, to reply to. I think newspapers printed clearing info.
1980s - Stock Aitken Waterman hit-machine = kylie minogue & other Neighbours actor/res (Still listen to Stefan Dennis the 1-hit-wonder); writers for many others.
1996 Spice Girls were a successfully manufactured band based on men's fantasy women - sporty, girly, posh bird, black woman & buxom. This is what a documentary said at the time.
I paid £100 for 1Gb (PC fair) in 1996 & 4Mb RAM stick was £70 in 1994, paid ~£50 for quad speed CD drive. I used QEMM to optimise my given 640K (base memory) RAM memory, think it only applied to 16bit software, hence Win95 was a PC revolution (wonder if macs already used them b4 PCs?). Geeky?
A student paid £240 for a second hand 17inch monitor that had a slight colour problem; sold his 14inch for £100. I never knew anything Apple until BUNAC's "Work America", Boston & was curious at them in 1996. I knew they were bad news then
. Back then people would sell you stolen car radios & TVs; PCs were long term investments.At Uni: I used to say I'm a Microsoft fan (Encarta, MapPoint to plan my journeys otherwise buy an AtoZ of a city) & I'm a feminist (was & still am for equality).
I think it was technology that began off-shoring, as international communication was thru Fax machines.
I went to school in Pontefract during the coal miners strike which affected many; 1988 saw the riots on tv against the Poll Tax. Music was much better then & techno was Kraftwerk. Yorkshire was the first channel that went non-stop (24 hours) & I watched it - it was boring including a man talking in the shadows.
I did always enjoy Ceefax & Oracle (internet from the 1970-2000s) - the quiz Bamboozle on CH4!
Memories
Its late, apologies for typos.
I used to have my mates round and we sat round the telly trying to complete bamboozle. That is how cool it was to grow up in the 90s.
Kids nowadays couldn't even begin to imagine what it was like growing up in the mid 90s as an only child in a house in the countryside with no-one around, no internet, no mobile phone, and 1 tv with 4 channels (that I didn't get to choose what we watched anyway).
WTF did I do all evening after school?
I suppose in the summer I was just outside playing cricket until gone 10pm, and in the winter I was just practicing my guitar.
It might have been boring, but at least when I got to university I was ****ing amazing at cricket and guitar.
WTF did I do all evening after school?
I suppose in the summer I was just outside playing cricket until gone 10pm, and in the winter I was just practicing my guitar.
It might have been boring, but at least when I got to university I was ****ing amazing at cricket and guitar.
Original post by Sharpshooter
Some of this is relevant now. Unemployment in this great recession peaked around 8-9%, albeit not quite as high in the 80s, but still high. Cost of living has increased, wages have flattened (so people are not as well off). We are still under threat from 'Islamic terrorism' so you could argue that its no better than it was back then.
The recession we had just now was nothing like the 70s and 80s, or even the 90s. It wasn't a "great" recession. It was nothing of the sort by comparison.
People are much better off today. The cost of living has increased because expectations have. Today, you think you can't live if you don't have mobile data.
The Islamic terrorist threat, 9/11 notwithstanding, is on a much lower scale than Irish terrorism of the 70s and 80s. The IRA killed a lot more people in much more high profile circumstances.
Original post by silverbolt
I suddenly feel so very old.
jesus christ it wasnt the middle ages.
It was much like it is today. Just without the internet an HDTV
jesus christ it wasnt the middle ages.
It was much like it is today. Just without the internet an HDTV
Wow really, I thought people worked in workhouses back then
80s
No internet, people met up to socialise, either just to eat & drink or some interest group (scouts, chess, gaming, political parties, sport ...)
I think young people were generally healthier as they did more outdoor activities fitness & body building was quite popular (thanks to Arnie, Bruce Lee & "Superstars" etc), like many teenagers I had a chest expander & a bullworker, you even had to stand up to play video games! There were many more fashion, hair & music styles, more people were into music & looking stylish, many people wanted to be in a band.
There was more racism, sexism & homophobia than now, left over from the 70s so it was in decline.
Gang and football violence was on the decline by the 80s.
Video rental was pretty big, people would get together to share the cost.
Driving was less restricted, less cameras but of course more accidents.
Town centres were always packed on Saturdays for the above reasons + no internet & fewer out-of-town shopping centres.
It was pre- "cafe society", chairs & tables like at school and young people would drink milkshakes or coke instead of coffee.
No internet, people met up to socialise, either just to eat & drink or some interest group (scouts, chess, gaming, political parties, sport ...)
I think young people were generally healthier as they did more outdoor activities fitness & body building was quite popular (thanks to Arnie, Bruce Lee & "Superstars" etc), like many teenagers I had a chest expander & a bullworker, you even had to stand up to play video games! There were many more fashion, hair & music styles, more people were into music & looking stylish, many people wanted to be in a band.
There was more racism, sexism & homophobia than now, left over from the 70s so it was in decline.
Gang and football violence was on the decline by the 80s.
Video rental was pretty big, people would get together to share the cost.
Driving was less restricted, less cameras but of course more accidents.
Town centres were always packed on Saturdays for the above reasons + no internet & fewer out-of-town shopping centres.
It was pre- "cafe society", chairs & tables like at school and young people would drink milkshakes or coke instead of coffee.
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Original post by NJA
80s.........
Also if someone asked for help & advise & someone took time & effort to give, people would at least say thank you.
Original post by cole-slaw
I used to have my mates round and we sat round the telly trying to complete bamboozle. That is how cool it was to grow up in the 90s.
Looks like stuffed clown quality went into rapid decline over the period.
More care free because we weren't under constant siege by the media and powers that be telling us that there are rapists, child molesters and terrorists wanting to behead you on every street corner (even if the IRA were a more constant threat). Lack of social media and Internet integration into our daily lives meant that we lived blissfully unaware of a lot of things. Same goes for political correctness, which is another part of the ever-growing cottonwool/nanny culture -- not the obvious stuff like pious warriors of social justice judging times past with modern morality, but silly stuff like having adult movies with toys marketed at children in the most obvious ways. People didn't care as much about that stuff.
Apart from that, most things will be the same. People think that the effects of Internet and social media are completely new when in most cases, it's just a modern alternative to what was already there. Blogs are used in place of diaries. Social media like Facebook is like a combo of photo albums that you can show to people wherever, a phone/contact book, letter/email and personal organiser all in one. There are the obvious ones like digicams instead of cameras for films, mobile phones over home phones, etc. Angry Birds and other game apps are like Bamboozle.
The only real difference the Internet has made, apart from making us much more aware of what was already in the world around us (good and bad), is that something that used to get relegated as a memory of the night before the morning after, is now published to the Internet almost immediately and immortalised.
The saying, "the more things change, the more they stay the same" rings very true about most of the basic stuff with growing up. Also, what people in this generation of 21-30 year olds, about the current batch of 0-18s, the 0-18s will say about the following generation when they get older. The same things were said about us by the previous generation and those before. Replace the latest boogeyman, social media, with violent video games, violent movies, anti-establishment music, TV, radio, etc. It's all the same from one generation to the next.
Some parts of growing up in the 90s were great; better than the modern equivalent because, like I said, people weren't made to feel under siege as much as they are now., and most of that is increased media presence. Kids can still roam about freely, but parents are made to feel as if they shouldn't/can't, so they don't. Outside of that, the 90s, it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I'd rather grow up now, to be honest.
Oh, trust me, there was plenty of both.
Apart from that, most things will be the same. People think that the effects of Internet and social media are completely new when in most cases, it's just a modern alternative to what was already there. Blogs are used in place of diaries. Social media like Facebook is like a combo of photo albums that you can show to people wherever, a phone/contact book, letter/email and personal organiser all in one. There are the obvious ones like digicams instead of cameras for films, mobile phones over home phones, etc. Angry Birds and other game apps are like Bamboozle.
The only real difference the Internet has made, apart from making us much more aware of what was already in the world around us (good and bad), is that something that used to get relegated as a memory of the night before the morning after, is now published to the Internet almost immediately and immortalised.
The saying, "the more things change, the more they stay the same" rings very true about most of the basic stuff with growing up. Also, what people in this generation of 21-30 year olds, about the current batch of 0-18s, the 0-18s will say about the following generation when they get older. The same things were said about us by the previous generation and those before. Replace the latest boogeyman, social media, with violent video games, violent movies, anti-establishment music, TV, radio, etc. It's all the same from one generation to the next.
Some parts of growing up in the 90s were great; better than the modern equivalent because, like I said, people weren't made to feel under siege as much as they are now., and most of that is increased media presence. Kids can still roam about freely, but parents are made to feel as if they shouldn't/can't, so they don't. Outside of that, the 90s, it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I'd rather grow up now, to be honest.
Original post by Cattty
Great way of keeping in touch with ppl but no cyber bullyling, etc. you bullied someone straight to their face!
Oh, trust me, there was plenty of both.
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