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do you agree in the use of stem cells in science?
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do you agree in the use of stem cells in science?
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I'm more inclined to say no I don't agree because to get the stem cells you remove them from embryos and in doing so it kills the embryos.... That's pretty much murdering an innocent person to help another.

You wonder if some lives are more 'important' by doing that. :/

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yes, if you're talking about adult stem cells or cord stem cells

not so much embryonic but it might be the only way to cure some previously uncurable illnesses, but don't agree with depending solely on them (perhaps if they were used to further research so eventually we could do the same thing without them :moon:)

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I'm more inclined to say no I don't agree because to get the stem cells you remove them from embryos and in doing so it kills the embryos.... That's pretty much murdering an innocent person to help another.

You wonder if some lives are more 'important' by doing that. :/

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that's not teh only way to get stem cells
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that's not teh only way to get stem cells
It's not? Ooh, I didn't know. :eek::eek:

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I'm fine with removing them from early embryos.

We do much worse in the name for scientific research.
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It's not? Ooh, I didn't know. :eek::eek:

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Stem cells are just unspecialised cells that haven't grown into a particularly function yet. These cells are produced in places like bone marrow. So it is possible to get it from there.

Why is a stem cell from bone marrow any different from a early stage embryo which is made up entirely of stem cells? From my view if you are against the killing of an embryo you are against it because you are killing the potential of a human being rather than killing a human (since this group of cells is not a person). Well whenever you use a condom you are killing the potential of a human. It just seems outdated to me and based off of superstition. :dontknow:

Stem cells offer so much potential for curing diseases etc it just seems daft to not take them from embryos imo. Women can abort at this stage. So why can a women not choose to provide embryonic stem cells? It is her body and no one should be able to make her or stop her from doing it.
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Yes I am all for stem cell research.

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Stem cells are just unspecialised cells that haven't grown into a particularly function yet. These cells are produced in places like bone marrow. So it is possible to get it from there.

Why is a stem cell from bone marrow any different from a early stage embryo which is made up entirely of stem cells? From my view if you are against the killing of an embryo you are against it because you are killing the potential of a human being rather than killing a human (since this group of cells is not a person). Well whenever you use a condom you are killing the potential of a human. It just seems outdated to me and based off of superstition. :dontknow:
Ah okay. I only thought that you could only get them from embryos. ^_^ So basically I'm against embryonic stem cell research then.

... You're still killing someone/something... even if you don't consider that embryo to be a human yet. :/ the situation with contraception is different though because unprotected intercourse doesn't always lead to fertilisation.

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Stem cells offer so much potential for curing diseases etc it just seems daft to not take them from embryos imo. Women can abort at this stage. So why can a women not choose to provide embryonic stem cells? It is her body and no one should be able to make her or stop her from doing it.
Woman being able to abort does not mean that they should. It might be her body but those bunch of cells aren't hers. They're another being's bunch of cells. That sounds so selfish! You're taking the woman's view first? She'll be killing someone/something for the benefit of someone else. Why is that person's life more valuable than this potential one? :eek:
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Woman being able to abort does not mean that they should. It might be her body but those bunch of cells aren't hers. They're another being's bunch of cells. That sounds so selfish! You're taking the woman's view first? She'll be killing someone/something for the benefit of someone else. Why is that person's life more valuable than this potential one? :eek:
Well individual cells die all the time in your body. I don't distinguish embryonic stem cells from these. The potential life isn't actual human life. So the women (who is an actual human with a nervous system, brain, fully developed personality, is sentient, self aware etc) gets priority, she can decide. It is her body, not the state's. I'm not going to try and make you change your mind, but this is my view on it and I can't see myself changing ti anytime soon. It is also the view of the law as well.

If you ever get pregnant no one is going to force you to have an abortion. You can keep it. The crux of your position lies on the fact you think the embryo is a life that deserves the same rights as a fully developed human being. I disagree with that philosophical view point. I get why someone who thinks this would deem it immoral for any women to have an abortion but it isn't as clear cut as that so hence me supporting the choice. It gets less clear cut and your position becomes more valid once the women is heavily into the pregnancy imo. Which is why there is debate as to where the legal cut off point for an abortion should be (which I believe is 24 weeks legally).

Out of curiosity what would your view on this though experiment be?

A women is heavily pregnant (well past the 24 week point) but it becomes clear (for whatever reason) the pregnancy is threatening her life and continuing with the pregnancy would involve a greater risk to the woman's life than ending the pregnancy.

Should the woman or the fetus get priority? :holmes:
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Yes. It would provide a cure for my disability and many others

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