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(Original post by Bismarck)
Talent and hard work.
Well they can never be accurately measured, so its impossible to statistically prove America is more 'the land of oppurtunity' than anywhere else.
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Well they can never be accurately measured, so its impossible to statistically prove America is more 'the land of oppurtunity' than anywhere else.
In this instance perception becomes reality.

And it is possible to measure it, but it would be a very subjective and complex project.

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I dont hate America. I dislike their politics though.
Isn't that the same thing? What if I said that I don't hate you, but I do hate everything that makes you you.
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And it is possible to measure it, but it would be a very subjective and complex project.
If the way to measure social mobility is how many people with the talent and hard work make it regardless of their economic background, there would be NO serious, rigourous way to measure that. As you say 'talent' and 'hard work' are complex concepts, and any judgement would be highly subjective. Maybe the former could be specualatively measured by some 'innate intelligence' test, and/or specific qualifications, but the latter could surely only be measured in terms of hours of work put in, and you couldn't measure other factors which comprise 'hard work', such as focus. All in all there'd be way too many variables to take into account and accurately measure. To my mind, using your definition of social mobility, it is impossible to prove one country has more of it than another...
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Well i'm sure both the UK and the US beat Zimbabwe in social mobility....so it could be measured, but the results would never be totally conclusive....

Oh, and lets just say that all slang, be it imitated or not, can be annoying under certain conditions ( IE if you speak it all the damn time) :cool:
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someone said that preserving culture is important, then went on to say that focusing on language is petty.sorry, but isn't slang/language a pretty large part of cultural identity??I think it's a shame if old english phrases die out in favour of new American ones myself.I like a nod to the past.everyone would find it odd if Americans said English phrases like 'mate' so why not the other way round.i think American infuence is too pervasive myself.oh...and to that person who keeps banging on about how it shouldn't be about 'form over substance' lets be honest here,those people who say 'loser' or '24/7' alot may not have all that much 'substance' anyway.i think people like that watch way too much tv...
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Honestly I never thought of 24/7 as a slang term. Seemed more like a general universal business term....
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Honestly I never thought of 24/7 as a slang term. Seemed more like a general universal business term....

it might not be slang in America..i don't really know.all i know is that i find it a bit disconcerting when people use it.mind you, i am english....easily startled and all that
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it might not be slang in America..i don't really know.all i know is that i find it a bit disconcerting when people use it.mind you, i am english....easily startled and all that
Well, I agree that preserving culture is important, but I just don't see how some kids using american slang terms can be so ..threatening..to local culture. I am somewhat at a loss to understand why Naivesincerity and other take it like it's a bigger threat then North Korea getting nuclear power....

It goes both ways, and americans don't start freaking out when they play coldplay on the radio...... :confused:
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It goes both ways, and americans don't start freaking out when they play coldplay on the radio...... :confused:
Speak for yourself! "It's just too sensitive...my cynicism...can't...take...*gasps for air*...dying..." :goodnight
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It goes both ways, and americans don't start freaking out when they play coldplay on the radio...... :confused:
I do, they bore me!
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Speak for yourself! "It's just too sensitive...my cynicism...can't...take...*gasps for air*...dying..." :goodnight
I get it now, i thought it was a lyric.....
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(Original post by djchak)
Well, I agree that preserving culture is important, but I just don't see how some kids using american slang terms can be so ..threatening..to local culture. I am somewhat at a loss to understand why Naivesincerity and other take it like it's a bigger threat then North Korea getting nuclear power....
It doesn't worry me quite as much possible mass destruction of the world through nuclear warfare, but it's annoying
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Well, I agree that preserving culture is important, but I just don't see how some kids using american slang terms can be so ..threatening..to local culture. I am somewhat at a loss to understand why Naivesincerity and other take it like it's a bigger threat then North Korea getting nuclear power....

It goes both ways, and americans don't start freaking out when they play coldplay on the radio...... :confused:
i don't really feel threatened by it .it was an off the cuff comment about how i find some people oddly easily influenced.I'm not particularly fussed about North Korea though either-i have little perspective.it may '[go] both ways but there's no doubt it goes more one way more than the other.
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someone said that preserving culture is important, then went on to say that focusing on language is petty.sorry, but isn't slang/language a pretty large part of cultural identity??I think it's a shame if old english phrases die out in favour of new American ones myself.I like a nod to the past.everyone would find it odd if Americans said English phrases like 'mate' so why not the other way round.i think American infuence is too pervasive myself.oh...and to that person who keeps banging on about how it shouldn't be about 'form over substance' lets be honest here,those people who say 'loser' or '24/7' alot may not have all that much 'substance' anyway.i think people like that watch way too much tv...
I find it very sad that out of all the things that Britain stands for and accomplished in its long history, you think it should be defined by the use or nonuse of a handful of words.
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yeah why not

you've gotta hate someone
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I find it very sad that out of all the things that Britain stands for and accomplished in its long history, you think it should be defined by the use or nonuse of a handful of words.
i don't think i ever said it should be 'defined' by the use of words.I believe in preserving language.you don't so we won't be agreeing will you?i know little changes don't seem like much but they add up.I have to say reading your posts is funny .For all your 'substance over form stuff' you love using your big words when you have very little to say
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i don't think i ever said it should be 'defined' by the use of words.I believe in preserving language.you don't so we won't be agreeing will you?i know little changes don't seem like much but they add up.I have to say reading your posts is funny .For all your 'substance over form stuff' you love using your big words when you have very little to say
Which language are you preserving? Might I ask why you're not speaking Old English or Middle English? Surely, those languages played a more prominent role in your history (especially your literary history) than does modern English?
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Which language are you preserving? Might I ask why you're not speaking Old English or Middle English? Surely, those languages played a more prominent role in your history (especially your literary history) than does modern English?
erm....how can i have a role in preserving Old English.it's already been eroded.what....do you want me to get it going again.i think i called for a 'nod to the past', not being stuck in the past.you know what, i was quite clearly refering to those common English phrases we've got now which i don't really want replaced with American alternatives,not the historical rudiments of the English language
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Which language are you preserving? Might I ask why you're not speaking Old English or Middle English? Surely, those languages played a more prominent role in your history (especially your literary history) than does modern English?
The real point i suppose is preserving a distinct language from the US given their all-pervasive media influence. It's the same within Britain, some Scots youth are losing their own vernacular and using all the London phrases from the TV, due to not being provided enough programs made in Scotland, to represent their audience.
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erm....how can i have a role in preserving Old English.it's already been eroded.what....do you want me to get it going again.i think i called for a 'nod to the past', not being stuck in the past.you know what, i was quite clearly refering to those common English phrases we've got now which i don't really want replaced with American alternatives,not the historical rudiments of the English language
Once again, if you want to preserve history, why do you want to preserve a language that has existed for perhaps 20% of England's history?
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