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    (Original post by djchak)
    But what you just said disproves what you said earlier about (most) americans, so don't you think it's possible you are mistaken to a certain extent?
    I don't really understand what you are meaning with this. I said I've met also nice people but their views often are different from the majority of people. I mean, the basic mentality can be seen when viewing the bigger picture.

    It's just the basic things that annoy me in Americans. It's not that I couldn't get along with people just because some of their elements that have been rooted so deeply in their mind.

    I would still vote yes.. I see what is everyone's point in saying "you can't judge the whole group of people just because of their government or lifestyle" but the whole image stays on the negative side so that's why I voted like I did.

    Hmm, I have forgotten the issue here. :>
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    (Original post by Jianren)
    Me? I don't discriminate by anything. I'm tolerant of anything, except intolerance.
    I don't know if that can be believed or not!
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    And yet you're all too willing to bash America without saying a single bad word about Finland. And to follow that up, how would you feel if some American who knew next to nothing about your political system was criticizing the way your country was run?
    I'm not really patriotic person. I don't actually have very strong emotional bonds with Finland. I find a lot to criticize in our own politics (and I DO critizise it) but that wasn't the question, was it?
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    (Original post by Salla)
    I'm not really patriotic person. I don't actually have very strong emotional bonds with Finland. I find a lot to criticize in our own politics (and I DO critizise it) but that wasn't the question, was it?
    I'll give it a try: The Finns speak a weird language, they like to throw the javelin and the discus, they make Nokia phones and they gave us the Leningrad Cowboys http://www.leningradcowboys.fi/
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    (Original post by Salla)
    I'm not really patriotic person. I don't actually have very strong emotional bonds with Finland. I find a lot to criticize in our own politics (and I DO critizise it) but that wasn't the question, was it?
    What makes you think that you know enough about the American political system for you to be able to pass judgments on the motivations and effectiveness of our leaders?
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    Good for you, Bis.

    (Original post by zooropa)
    I don't know if that can be believed or not!
    Why not? Is it really that hard to believe that some people have too much integrity to be irrationally superficial?
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    (Original post by Salla)
    I'm not really patriotic person. I don't actually have very strong emotional bonds with Finland. I find a lot to criticize in our own politics (and I DO critizise it) but that wasn't the question, was it?
    I wouldn't be arguing with Bismarck over politics/history if I were you. He's like a f*cking encyclopedia.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    What makes you think that you know enough about the American political system for you to be able to pass judgments on the motivations and effectiveness of our leaders?
    I have all the infornmation in the world at hand if I need it. What comes to political systems, I think I know enough to be able to state my opinions.
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    I'll give it a try: The Finns speak a weird language, they like to throw the javelin and the discus, they make Nokia phones and they gave us the Leningrad Cowboys
    Yeah, great! But actually we are getting quite crap in sports as our physical condition is becoming worse.. Mm and Nokia has moved many of their factories abroad and Finns have lost their jobs. And are losing them all the time in every sector. Curse the capitalism!

    Leningrad Cowboys also seem to be long gone.

    Nevertheless, how ever nice it would be to critizise Finland with you, I think I have to find some Swede for that. They are the best imaginable people to argue with. All that dark history etc.
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    I wouldn't be arguing with Bismarck over politics/history if I were you. He's like a f*cking encyclopedia.
    Should I take that as a complement or a thinly veiled insult? :p:

    Since everyone always condemns America for not giving healthcare to everyone, how do the Brits feel about the NHS killing 2,000 Brits per year?
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    (Original post by Jianren)



    Why not? Is it really that hard to believe that some people have too much integrity to be irrationally superficial?
    Not really.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Should I take that as a complement or a thinly veiled insult? :p:

    Since everyone always condemns America for not giving healthcare to everyone, how do the Brits feel about the NHS killing 2,000 Brits per year?
    I want to go on record as NOT being Anti-American, and I'm NOT attacking your system; just defending ours. Those Brits have died through accidental mistakes and treatment/facilities that weren't as good as they should have been. They died while people were TRYING to save them. In the USA, people are probably dying because nobody's bothering to put even that much effort into it.
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    (Original post by Jianren)
    I want to go on record as NOT being Anti-American, and I'm NOT attacking your system; just defending ours. Those Brits have died through accidental mistakes and treatment/facilities that weren't as good as they should have been. They died while people were TRYING to save them. In the USA, people are probably dying because nobody's bothering to put even that much effort into it.
    That's a bunch of BS. Hospitals are required by law to give you any and all necessary treatment, even if they know you cannot afford it. If you refuse treatment because you're thinking about the bills, it's not the fault of the hospital.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    That's a bunch of BS. Hospitals are required by law to give you any and all necessary treatment, even if they know you cannot afford it. If you refuse treatment because you're thinking about the bills, it's not the fault of the hospital.
    Quite true, many people do not know this.

    However, doctors in whatever country cannot save EVERYONE. It's just impossible.

    Salla:

    "the basic things that annoy me" ....but if these things don't apply fully to the americans you know, how can the deduction of the "americans" be valid?
    It's irrational, it's like applying a stereotype to the finns, and putting an exxageration on top of it, to create a total "cartoon character stereotype" of them. That's what I see a lot of on these boards.

    If it was made up of palestinians and north koreans, then there MIGHT be a justifiable anger against all the american people....maybe..it would be a stretch.

    One thing I seem to notice is, for people who have never been to the US, (and don't ever plan on going) , "America" to them seems to be whatever the media says about the government.

    Questioning this media seems to be an afterthought. And basically when it come to the "people", it's stereotypical images galore. :eek:
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    That's a bunch of BS. Hospitals are required by law to give you any and all necessary treatment, even if they know you cannot afford it. If you refuse treatment because you're thinking about the bills, it's not the fault of the hospital.
    I dont think that she is talking about the hopsitals so much as she is talking about the sytem. And in the US, the system is beyond broken. There are estimated to be over 50 million Americans who currently have no health insurance.
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    (Original post by Kondar)
    I dont think that she is talking about the hopsitals so much as she is talking about the sytem. And in the US, the system is beyond broken. There are estimated to be over 50 million Americans who currently have no health insurance.
    No health insurance doesn't mean no health care.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    No health insurance doesn't mean no health care.
    To many it does. I dont have health insurance right now, I dont even consider going to the doctor.. way too much hassle.
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    (Original post by Kondar)
    To many it does. I dont have health insurance right now, I dont even consider going to the doctor.. way too much hassle.
    That's by your own choice. If your priorities place money above your health, that's not the fault of the system.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    That's by your own choice. If your priorities place money above your health, that's not the fault of the system.
    Satori, are you really trying to assert that everything if fine and dandy when it comes to health care in the US? The US is not the best at everything, Britian, despite occasional mistakes (which of course, never happens in the US) has a pretty good health care system. The same cannot be said of the US. When you have a 1/5 of your population outside the system, then the system is broken.

    Health insurance would cost me over $1500 a month as I had cancer at the age of 10. That is not currently a realistic option for me.
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    (Original post by Salla)
    I don't really understand what you are meaning with this. I said I've met also nice people but their views often are different from the majority of people. I mean, the basic mentality can be seen when viewing the bigger picture.

    It's just the basic things that annoy me in Americans. It's not that I couldn't get along with people just because some of their elements that have been rooted so deeply in their mind.

    I would still vote yes.. I see what is everyone's point in saying "you can't judge the whole group of people just because of their government or lifestyle" but the whole image stays on the negative side so that's why I voted like I did.

    Hmm, I have forgotten the issue here. :>
    You do understand that America has roughly the same population as the entirety of western Europe, also about the same landmass and is equally diverse across political, economic and ethnic lines, right? (probably even more diverse ethnicly)

    You know that the difference between New York and Los Angeles is just as big as the difference between London and Rome, right?

    You know almost half of all American voted against Bush in the last election and that more than half did in 2000, right?

    You know that the country existed before Bush and will continue to exist after Bush, right?

    Ridiculous blanket statements like many of the ones in this thread are not worth discussing.
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    (Original post by Kondar)
    Satori, are you really trying to assert that everything if fine and dandy when it comes to health care in the US? The US is not the best at everything, Britian, despite occasional mistakes (which of course, never happens in the US) has a pretty good health care system. The same cannot be said of the US. When you have a 1/5 of your population outside the system, then the system is broken.

    Health insurance would cost me over $1500 a month as I had cancer at the age of 10. That is not currently a realistic option for me.
    If Britain's system is so stellar, then why are US hospitals considered better by just about every international ranking?

    1/5 of the population isn't "outside the system." Your statement implies that those without health insurance will not receive treatment, which is just a lie. If you were in need of treament and sought it, you would receive treatment. I would rather pay more money for prompt, exemplary medical care, than wait months for appointments, receive bare-bones care, and wait forever for necessary surgeries. That's just me, though. I like my health.
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    and BTW- British girls are MUCH easier than American girls.
    They'd have to be...look at their options...
 
 
 
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