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(Original post by Elipsis)
I support the US's system of health service, where i would pay my rate of insurance and don't have to pay for others who decide to mistreat their bodys through smoking and being a lardarse. I like the idea of a system where the unemployed arn't supported because they quite simply don't deserve to be, unlike here where hard working citzens like my parents get the privelage of paying for somebody to live who isn't going to benifit anybody through living an extra year. I support anything that means that deserving people get better health care and people like gypsies get sod all.
Elipsis, after reading your post, something occurred to me that I hadn't thought of before. I have a friend that lost his job and he is dying to go back to work to get a better health insurance plan than the one he has.

Maybe one of the reasons the US has relatively high productivity and less than five percent unemployment is that people don't want to deal with private insurance or our publicly funded healthcare options.

Europeans often criticise the US because our government doesn't offer as many safety nets, but the advantage of our system is that people want to stay unemployed for the shortest amount of time possible.
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[QUOTE= but the advantage of our system is that people want to stay unemployed for the shortest amount of time possible.[/QUOTE]

Well, the disadvantage could be that people who have chronic conditions might not get hired as much, becuase thier healthcare costs more...but to be honest I don't know if that's the case. If anyone could tell us some facts then we would know...
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[QUOTE=djchak][QUOTE= but the advantage of our system is that people want to stay unemployed for the shortest amount of time possible.Well, the disadvantage could be that people who have chronic conditions might not get hired as much, becuase thier healthcare costs more...but to be honest I don't know if that's the case. If anyone could tell us some facts then we would know...[/QUOTE]As a cancer survivor, I have been repeatedly warned to omit my medical history prior to obtaining a job.
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you have an etnire thread dedicated to ahting americans!?! what sort of a person would even vote yes!?
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(Original post by Kondar)
As a cancer survivor, I have been repeatedly warned to omit my medical history prior to obtaining a job.
so wait a minute...you can omit it, basically de facto getting around the problem...so it's only if you are unemployed that you have to "admit" it....?
That's a strange turn, giving sredence to the "keep unemployment low" argument.

Navindu, as you can see, over 31 percent voted that they hate americans (and not the "american government" , which I could understand) :confused:
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so wait a minute...you can omit it, basically de facto getting around the problem...so it's only if you are unemployed that you have to "admit" it....?
That's a strange turn, giving sredence to the "keep unemployment low" argument.

Navindu, as you can see, over 31 percent voted that they hate americans (and not the "american government" , which I could understand) :confused:
Its not something I would bring up during a job interview. Later, after I am offered the position I will obviously infrom the health insurance company.

Basically, I bring it up after I have the job and the insurance.
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Well, fair enough...

Oh, glad to see your old icon (avatar) Dexter has returned.
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(Original post by Kondar)
As a cancer survivor, I have been repeatedly warned to omit my medical history prior to obtaining a job.
Ditto for me. I don't mention my crohn's disease, seizures, or back surgery. I'm a mess.

Maybe I wouldn't be discriminated against if my employers knew, but why take the chance?

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so wait a minute...you can omit it, basically de facto getting around the problem...so it's only if you are unemployed that you have to "admit" it....?
That's a strange turn, giving sredence to the "keep unemployment low" argument.

Navindu, as you can see, over 31 percent voted that they hate americans (and not the "american government" , which I could understand) :confused:
Isn't hating the government really the same thing as hating americans?

How can you hate our politicians without hating the people that put them in power?
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(Original post by Made in the USA)
Ditto for me. I don't mention my crohn's disease, seizures, or back surgery. I'm a mess.

Maybe I wouldn't be discriminated against if my employers knew, but why take the chance?
I hear that.
Isn't hating the government really the same thing as hating americans?

How can you hate our politicians without hating the people that put them in power?
Not at all. Look at China, I hate the government but not the people. I hate Pat Robertson and his nazi henchmen, but I dont hate all the people that live on my island that watch his garbage tele programme.
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(Original post by Kondar)
I hear that.Not at all. Look at China, I hate the government but not the people. I hate Pat Robertson and his nazi henchmen, but I dont hate all the people that live on my island that watch his garbage tele programme.
Ditto for Burma. Love the peeps, hate the dicts.
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(Original post by Kondar)
Not at all. Look at China, I hate the government but not the people. I hate Pat Robertson and his nazi henchmen, but I dont hate all the people that live on my island that watch his garbage tele programme.
The US is a democracy, China isn't.
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(Original post by Made in the USA)
Isn't hating the government really the same thing as hating americans?

How can you hate our politicians without hating the people that put them in power?
when it comes to politicians you can rely on people to be easily duped. pity them for it, don't hate them for it :p:
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(Original post by Bismarck)
The US is a democracy, China isn't.
So, the people of China are all extremely nationalistic and have complete support for their government.
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(Original post by Kondar)
So, the people of China are all extremely nationalistic and have complete support for their government.
If that's what you believe that it would be inconsistent of you to condemn the behavior of the Chinese states while supporting the people who make that behavior possible.
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If that's what you believe that it would be inconsistent of you to condemn the behavior of the Chinese states while supporting the people who make that behavior possible.
Made in the USA said, "Isn't hating the government really the same thing as hating americans?

My response was: "Not at all. Look at China, I hate the government but not the people. I hate Pat Robertson and his nazi henchmen, but I dont hate all the people that live on my island that watch his garbage tele programme."

I still stand by that. I said that one could differentiate between the people of a country and the government in place, even if these people supported or were responsible for their government.
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noway americans rock!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I CANT BELIEVE MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE SAID THEY HATE AMERICANS!

THAT IS NEEDLESS AND ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING RACISM

YOU DONT EVEN KNOW ALL AMERICANS HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? HOW CAN YOU EVEN MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT?? ITS LIKE IF I STARTED A THREAD "DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE?"? WHAT CAN AMERICANS DO ABOUT BEING AMERICANS?

ALSO, SINCE I BET SOME MEMBERS OF TSR ARE IN FACT AMERICANS,
THREADS LIKE THESE DONT MAKE THEM FEEL WELCOME IN THE COMMUNITY

STUPID RACIST ARS*HOL**
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(Original post by MuniE)
america is one of the greatest countries in the world. all of you who said you hate them should realize you speak english and not german because of their help. be glad they care
I'm sorry for posting this so late on (this was on page 2) but it really irritated me, and I felt I had to reply..I haven't read the whole thread either so excuse me if this has already been said...

First of all the american government did not care about our freedom during ww2. Their sole reason for intervening in 1942 was out of their own interest. It was at this point that they realised the Allies were not actually doing that well, and that there was a fairly certain chance they would not be able to hold on for much longer. Europe had been at war for the last three years, and resources were running out, France along with many other nations had surrendered. The axis were suddenly only meeting tough resistance from one front, and a large majority of troops could now be moved from the western front to the eastern front. This meant that the axis would have much more strength than the Russians, as the axis had already been putting up a tough fight with their original number of troops.

America realised that a new superpower could soon be formed. Imagine the strength and power of this new German controlled region, and the immensity of it. It would pose an extremely significant threat towards the states, as well as an economic catastrophe. The new German state would have no need for American products, leaving America almost on its own. The american government feared this and, I believe, this to be the principle and perhaps only reason for intervening in 1942, and as you say, saving us. This would also explain why they waited for so long before joining in.

This is what I believe fueled the american government's decision to help the allies. It was purely out of their own interests, just like the recent war on terrorism is (Iraq - oil). Now I accept that this strategy has worked for the country, and has created a state of power unmatched by any other country that ever existed, but I must say that it disgusts me. However, I guess we must accept this as the capitalistic way, just like we must accept any war they declare, however illegal it may be. We have no power to rise against them and that's just the way things are right now.

I do not hate americans in general. That would be waaay too much of a generalisation. I do, however, hate what many of them stand for, how easily they are manipulated and how Bush exploits his people. oh and btw, sorry for the essay, i was just really provoked when reading the quote!
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I ITS LIKE IF I STARTED A THREAD "DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE?"? WHAT CAN AMERICANS DO ABOUT BEING AMERICANS? **
Well, if you did start a thread about hating black people, as long as the black people were americans, the result would be the same...31% would still have voted against americans, and being black wouldn't cut em any slack/
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"First of all the american government did not care about our freedom during ww2."

Umm, can you prove this, or is this emotive speculation?

"The new German state would have no need for American products, leaving America almost on its own. The american government feared this and, I believe, this to be the principle and perhaps only reason for intervening in 1942, and as you say, saving us. "

America was pretty much "almost on its own" during that time in history. It was very isolationist, wanting to avoid any outside excursions at all, but still helping the allies in covert ways like merchant ships helping with supplies, and land lease programs. This is well known. Oh and we HELPED to save you, along with the rest of the allies. Would you say the same thing about Canada as well?


"It was purely out of their own interests, just like the recent war on terrorism is (Iraq - oil). "

OK, now this has to be one of the biggest self perpetuating myths EVER. It can't be proved or disproved, as it relies on a totally baseless accusation. Again, would you say the same for Canada? Or would it sound absolutely insane?

"I do, however, hate what many of them stand for, how easily they are manipulated..."

And...what is it that that stand for? And why are they "easily manipulated"?
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