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How is the BBC anti-American?
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no! americans are great. well the ones i know. their leader is a bit of a monkey and they do have the opinion that they own the world but on a 1 to 1 basis i like americains

come on, Terry Gilliam, jack black, the entire cast of scrubs, whats not to like?
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(Original post by naivesincerity)
How is the BBC anti-American?
I think you really need to be knowledgable about the US for your truth detector to pick up the anti-USA propaganda. How can you know you are being misled by the press when you have no idea what the truth is?

I can really pick any article I want from the BBC website. How about this one here

The real question - putting it baldly - is whether there is going to be a revolution.
Why the hell would there be a revolution? What is this ass-clown talking about? A socialist revolution? Another civil war? What for? To put in place some kind of socialist government that Webb thinks we need?

Will the American social and economic system - which creates the wealth that pays for billionaires' private jets, and the poverty which does not allow for a bus fare out of New Orleans - be addressed?
The truth is that the vast majority of people knew the storm was coming and, for whatever reason, didn't take necessary steps in preparing for the impending disaster. The local government also dropped the ball and made a series of mistakes which exacerbated the chaos. There isn't anything wrong with our "social and economic system" and we aren't going to have a "revolution" to change it. Our economic system created the world's wealthiest and most powerful country on earth and only a fool would imply that it creates poverty. North Korea's social and economic system creates poverty.

It has been tinkered with before of course, sometimes as a result of natural disasters. There were for instance plenty of buses on hand for this week's Rita evacuation.
He is saying that the tinkering of our social and economic system means making sure busses are available for future hurricanes. He knows that busses were available for this hurricane and weren't used, but chooses to leave that out because is trying to blame the system instead of the mayor.

But the system's fundamentals - no limit on how far you can fly and little limit on how low you can fall - remain as intact as they were in the San Francisco gold rush.
This is just plain stupid. In the 1850s taxes and government spending on poverty prevention were both 0%. Taxes were unconstitutional back then, so it's a really stupid analogy. Back then, we didn't have medicade, social security, welfare, and other government programs breaking taxpayer's backs. Is this guy reporting on the United States or talking about some other country? :confused:

Charity ameliorates it, softens blows, pours oil on troubled waters. It does not lead to social change.
Here we go again. He is saying "the american system is no good and it must be changed"

Can you see why so many Americans feel like tearing their hair out over this excuse for journalism?
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Sorry doug, i've been busy all weekend.

I do have a life you know.

I thought the poll was intresting, and the article on it too.

I think isolationism is tempting for many in the US.

Ever since after 9/11, there have been polls from the Pew research that theBBC uses , one of them called "What the world thinks of America". They do it every year, and theres usually only a few americans that respond at the end of these.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/default.stm

The point is, the response of the americans themselves is usually quite muted. Or it's some guy at the end saying "well we don't care" or something to that effect
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(Original post by djchak)
Sorry doug, i've been busy all weekend.

I do have a life you know.

I thought the poll was intresting, and the article on it too.

I think isolationism is tempting for many in the US.

Ever since after 9/11, there have been polls from the Pew research that theBBC uses , one of them called "What the world thinks of America". They do it every year, and theres usually only a few americans that respond at the end of these.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/default.stm

The point is, the response of the americans themselves is usually quite muted. Or it's some guy at the end saying "well we don't care" or something to that effect
Well, they're Americans who read the BBC, who tend to be a bit more Anglophilic than the average person.
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Well, they're Americans who read the BBC, who tend to be a bit more Anglophilic than the average person.
Or Americans that just can't stand America. If Michael Moore wants anti-American news he can watch the BBC and get the bias that he wants.
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Michael moore is a ****
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(Original post by Made in the USA)
Or Americans that just can't stand America. If Michael Moore wants anti-American news he can watch the BBC and get the bias that he wants.
Made in the USA, I know you love to chip away at anyone that disagrees with the Bush Administration, but Micheal Moore is well within his right to critisize anything he wants. THAT does not make him unAmerican. I would like you to read this short report that TE Lawrence wrote in 1920 when he stood against the ACTIONS of his GOVERNMENT instead remaining loyal to the IDEALS of his COUNTRY.

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/mesopo.html
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I don't hate them. Look at my sig...
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I don't hate them. I'm a huge admirer of William Jefferson Clinton.
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(Original post by Kondar)
Made in the USA, I know you love to chip away at anyone that disagrees with the Bush Administration, but Micheal Moore is well within his right to critisize anything he wants. THAT does not make him unAmerican. I would like you to read this short report that TE Lawrence wrote in 1920 when he stood against the ACTIONS of his GOVERNMENT instead remaining loyal to the IDEALS of his COUNTRY.

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/mesopo.html
Well, I'm glad that Michael Moore is upholding our ideals of racism and dishonesty. Because, you know, the 1st Amendment means that anything you say becomes the truth! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Comparing Michael Moore to TE Lawrence?! What a joke! Four demerits for you!
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Bowling for Columbine was OK.
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(Original post by Kondar)
Made in the USA, I know you love to chip away at anyone that disagrees with the Bush Administration, but Micheal Moore is well within his right to critisize anything he wants. THAT does not make him unAmerican.
No, but lying to those ends does.
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dont have anything against them
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(Original post by Vienna)
No, but lying to those ends does.
Lying isn't necessarily Un-American. Would you lie in the service of your country?
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Well either you think M. Moore is right or wrong, but I don't think anyone here accused him of being "un-american". They did say that he might prefer "anti american" media coverage though.
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No, but lying to those ends does.
Lying constitues being unpatriotic and (in this case) being unAmerican?

I'd love to hear you explain this one...
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Lying constitues being unpatriotic and (in this case) being unAmerican?

I'd love to hear you explain this one...
Do we have to talk about M. Moore at all? Haven't there been enough threads on him?

Whether you think he lied or not is all in the eye of the beholder anyway.
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Lying constitues being unpatriotic and (in this case) being unAmerican?

I'd love to hear you explain this one...
In Moore's case, his lies constitute sedition, in terms of undermining the government. He's a self acknowledged socialist who hates democracy.
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In Moore's case, his lies constitute sedition, in terms of undermining the government. He's a self acknowledged socialist who hates democracy.
Instead of launching personal attacks at Micheal Moore, I suggest you offer discuss his statements and ideas. But then again, if Bush can get away with it, why can't you?
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