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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Why do they call USA the land of the free? :confused:
    umm.. maybe because we don't have a monarch! :confused:
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    (Original post by drago di giada)
    umm.. maybe because we don't have a monarch! :confused:
    So Holland, Norway, Sweden etc aren't a free country because they have a monarch?

    It's better to have a monarch than a president, many European countries found that out, such as England herself.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    So Holland, Norway, Sweden etc aren't a free country because they have a monarch?

    It's better to have a monarch than a president, many European countries found that out, such as England herself.
    I'druther have a president.
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    (Original post by drago di giada)
    I'druther have a president.
    Obviously.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Why do they call USA the land of the free? :confused:
    Many other people in other nations, following our lead, have a great deal of freedom today. You've got to look at the history books to answer your question, NDGAARONDI.
    The United States was the first country in recorded history to be founded on respect for individual freedom. At the time, the ideas of a right to freedom, and that governments exist solely to protect that freedom, were unheard of concepts. The USA was a departure from every other form of government world history had ever seen.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Many other people in other nations, following our lead, have a great deal of freedom today. You've got to look at the history books to answer your question, NDGAARONDI.
    The United States was the first country in recorded history to be founded on respect for individual freedom. At the time, the ideas of a right to freedom, and that governments exist solely to protect that freedom, were unheard of concepts. The USA was a departure from every other form of government world history had ever seen.
    I get where you are comming from but haveing read a few books on American civil rights I wouldn't say that it had as much respect for individual freedom as you make out. I may have more respect now but in the past there were some horrible acts.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    So Holland, Norway, Sweden etc aren't a free country because they have a monarch?

    It's better to have a monarch than a president, many European countries found that out, such as England herself.
    how is it 'better'?
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    (Original post by drago di giada)
    umm.. maybe because we don't have a monarch! :confused:
    and?
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I get where you are comming from but haveing read a few books on American civil rights I wouldn't say that it had as much respect for individual freedom as you make out. I may have more respect now but in the past there were some horrible acts.
    No country is perfect, Random, but even as one of the most anti-american posters, you must concede that many of the freedoms people have in other countries exist because we broke new ground and others soon followed.

    Check this out from the first amendment of the constitution:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    This was the first time religious freedom had been guaranteed by a nation's constitution.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I get where you are comming from but haveing read a few books on American civil rights I wouldn't say that it had as much respect for individual freedom as you make out. I may have more respect now but in the past there were some horrible acts.
    everything has got to start somewhere, it's not going to be perfect from the get go. When you consider the great diversity that existed in America, it's difficult to find a country that faced the same issues in the same years as the US, so there isn't really any other comparison.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    how is it 'better'?
    There have been numerous suggestions already on this topic. Some were submitted by John Paul Jones. Besides, England was a republic once but look what she had as a leader!
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    The United States was the first country in recorded history to be founded on respect for individual freedom.
    And it took a civil war to end slavery? Racial seggregation?

    I'm not that sure on dates but I know the British Empire were the first to abolish slavery out of the other colonial powers.

    The rights were there but weren't always enforced and adhered to properly.
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    I hate how everyone thinks I am american because i'm canadian
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    I hate how everyone thinks I am american because i'm canadian
    Everyone here or elsewhere?
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    No country is perfect, Random, but even as one of the most anti-american posters, you must concede that many of the freedoms people have in other countries exist because we broke new ground and others soon followed.

    Check this out from the first amendment of the constitution:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    This was the first time religious freedom had been guaranteed by a nation's constitution.
    What are you talking about mist ground was broken by Bismark and the German Republic, and the american definition of religious freedom is everyone being a bible thumper
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Everyone here or elsewhere?
    No everywhere you go if you travel outside Canada everyone thinks your american
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    No everywhere you go if you travel outside Canada everyone thinks your american
    I can distinguish between the two. So saying everyone does this outside Canada is incorrect. I wonder if canuck has anything to say on this matter
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    No everywhere you go if you travel outside Canada everyone thinks your american
    Where in Canada are you? I'm about right across the lake from Toronto. And what are your views on canadians.. SOME.. (I specified) coming to america, buying clothes, getting changed in parking lots, and leaving the bags and their old clothes there?
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    (Original post by drago di giada)
    Where in Canada are you? I'm about right across the lake from Toronto. And what are your views on canadians.. SOME.. (I specified) coming to america, buying clothes, getting changed in parking lots, and leaving the bags and their old clothes there?
    i live in toronto....... well i think the stereotypes of us being nice are wrong cuz alot are plain ****ing *******s, like the ones you describe in your post. But americans aren't much better whenever i go to buffalo it looks like a **** hole and everyday theres a fire somewhere along with a shooting, not to mention fat ppl and liquor stores.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    No country is perfect, Random, but even as one of the most anti-american posters, you must concede that many of the freedoms people have in other countries exist because we broke new ground and others soon followed.
    I am not anti american, I have condemed American foreign policy because I don't agree with it and I don't think that bush is a good leader but I have not problem with the basic priciples ect of America. I started my post with I can see where you are comeing from and I can. All that I was trying to point out is that somethings in America may have been there on paper to start with but not actuall in priciple untill later.

    Check this out from the first amendment of the constitution:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    This was the first time religious freedom had been guaranteed by a nation's constitution.
    Like I said good on paper but there were some groups who were being tergeted and denyed the same rights as other religions until quite recently eg

    (Original post by http://www.paganspath.com/aware.htm)
    If you think these time are long ago and remembered only in history books, you're wrong. Although a little more subtle than death, witches are still persecuted today in many ways and all over the world. With presentations like the Helms Amendment described above, Neo-pagans still face the threat of losing the right to practice their beliefs.

    Take the case of Bill, a friend of ours who was arrested recently in Chicago for practicing witchcraft. Yes, that's right he was arrested, arraigned and paid bail to get out of jail. In his case, Bill was casting a small circle in a quiet wooded area of a public park. Two policeman came across Bill, and upon learning what he was doing, they arrested him. Had he been lighting a white candle and praying to Jesus, would he have been given a warning about the dangers of fire in a public park? Or had he been banging a small gong and chanting to Buddha would he have been escorted out of the park for using public lands for religious purposes?

    Take the policy of the internet's popular 'babysitting' services. These organizations have decided that any sites on the internet which relate to paganism or witchcraft are not suitable for family viewing. Thus this site and many more like ours are banded by these internet servicers.
    Now I am in no way saying that America was worse in the past or is worse now when it comes to religious freedom. Infact it is better than the majority of countries in the world. All I am trying to point out is that some of the freedoms that America claims to have had for many centuries weren't carried out as much in priciple.
 
 
 
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