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OCR Physics A G485 - Frontiers of Physics - 18th June 2015

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Original post by Elcor
I think I might have worked it out. It might just be a matter of semantics. They say 'when the switch is closed', which implies you're working with the circuit at that very moment, when in actuality they mean some length of time has passed since that moment, and thus the current would have stopped flowing and the charges stored on either capacitor would be the same by then.

Do you think that's it?


I'll try explaining it more.

Ok so when the first switch is closed the capacitor 4.5 is charged yes? Forget about the rest of the details focus on the charge. So it has a charge of 2.835 x 10 to the power of minus 5. Now when the first switch is opened again, and the second switch is closed the only way the second capacitor can be charged or have a PD across it is through the first capacitor. But since instantly (like 0.000001 second) when the switch is closed there is no current so the total charge is the charge of the first capacitor +0. And so the pd across both the components will be the total charge divided by the capacitance added (since they are still in parallel).

Hope that helps. :biggrin:
Original post by sagar448
I'll try explaining it more.

Ok so when the first switch is closed the capacitor 4.5 is charged yes? Forget about the rest of the details focus on the charge. So it has a charge of 2.835 x 10 to the power of minus 5. Now when the first switch is opened again, and the second switch is closed the only way the second capacitor can be charged or have a PD across it is through the first capacitor. But since instantly (like 0.000001 second) when the switch is closed there is no current so the total charge is the charge of the first capacitor +0. And so the pd across both the components will be the total charge divided by the capacitance added (since they are still in parallel).

Hope that helps. :biggrin:


I think it was more the, are they really in parallel?

But thinking about it, there's still a loop behind, just not a closed one, so maybe it is just parallel
Original post by L'Evil Fish
I think it was more the, are they really in parallel?

But thinking about it, there's still a loop behind, just not a closed one, so maybe it is just parallel


I mean, looking at it, one part doesn't look like it is but I mean when the question tells you it's parallel you be damn sure it will be parallel. Lol. :tongue:
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Original post by L'Evil Fish
I think it was more the, are they really in parallel?

But thinking about it, there's still a loop behind, just not a closed one, so maybe it is just parallel


You can't think about series and parallel with capacitors based off of how the circuit looks like you can with normal electronics, you have to think about whether the p.d.s are the same (parallel) or different (series)

Original post by sagar448
I'll try explaining it more.

Ok so when the first switch is closed the capacitor 4.5 is charged yes? Forget about the rest of the details focus on the charge. So it has a charge of 2.835 x 10 to the power of minus 5. Now when the first switch is opened again, and the second switch is closed the only way the second capacitor can be charged or have a PD across it is through the first capacitor. But since instantly (like 0.000001 second) when the switch is closed there is no current so the total charge is the charge of the first capacitor +0. And so the pd across both the components will be the total charge divided by the capacitance added (since they are still in parallel).

Hope that helps. :biggrin:


But that's like saying when the first capacitor is connected to the the cell, its p.d. is instantly 6.3V, but it takes time for its p.d. to rise.
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Did quarks join to form protons and neutrons before matter and antimatter annihilated or was it the other way round (as far as the spec/mark schemes are concerned)?
Original post by Elcor
You can't think about series and parallel with capacitors based off of how the circuit looks like you can with normal electronics, you have to think about whether the p.d.s are the same (parallel) or different (series)



But that's like saying when the first capacitor is connected to the the cell, its p.d. is instantly 6.3V, but it takes time for its p.d. to rise.


Yes ok thats one way of looking at it but I explained it without over complicating. Heres the real reason, when the S2 is closed the charge from the first capacitor is the only charge BOTH of the capacitors have to rely on. Assuming no energy is lost or whatever, even though the charge does get distributed in whatever ratio, the total charge will still be the charge of the first capacitor even before the switch S2 was closed. So V equal total charge divided by 6.

:biggrin:
Original post by sagar448
I mean, looking at it, one part doesn't look like it is but I mean when the question tells you it's parallel you be damn sure it will be parallel. Lol. :tongue:

I thought it was parallel anyway lol, didn't think to question it

I don't know what pd means to say if it's series or not lol
Original post by Elcor
Did quarks join to form protons and neutrons before matter and antimatter annihilated or was it the other way round (as far as the spec/mark schemes are concerned)?


Yeah
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Original post by sagar448
Yes ok thats one way of looking at it but I explained it without over complicating. Heres the real reason, when the S2 is closed the charge from the first capacitor is the only charge BOTH of the capacitors have to rely on. Assuming no energy is lost or whatever, even though the charge does get distributed in whatever ratio, the total charge will still be the charge of the first capacitor even before the switch S2 was closed. So V equal total charge divided by 6.

:biggrin:


Thanks for everything but I still don't get it. It's my fault, not yours - I'll see if I can understand from a physics teacher tomorrow. :smile:
Original post by Elcor
Thanks for everything but I still don't get it. It's my fault, not yours - I'll see if I can understand from a physics teacher tomorrow. :smile:


Let me know what your physics teacher says mate I would like to know this haha, hate little things like this that im unsure about.


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Original post by Elcor
Did quarks join to form protons and neutrons before matter and antimatter annihilated or was it the other way round (as far as the spec/mark schemes are concerned)?


Sorry to be a bother but could you send your version for the evolution of the universe? I've got one from a mark scheme but it didn't have about matter and antimatter annihilating, so I'm starting to think there's other things that I may be missing too.
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Original post by Hilton184
Let me know what your physics teacher says mate I would like to know this haha, hate little things like this that im unsure about.


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Turns out they are in parallel

I didn't really understand his explanation, so I can't explain it back to you. Sorry.

Original post by BrokenS0ulz
Sorry to be a bother but could you send your version for the evolution of the universe? I've got one from a mark scheme but it didn't have about matter and antimatter annihilating, so I'm starting to think there's other things that I may be missing too.


Universe begins for some bizarre reason
Sea of quarks and leptons
Quarks join to form protons and neutrons
Matter and antimatter annihilate, producing a huge amount of photons and an excess of matter
Protons and neutrons form H and He nuclei
Temp cools enough so that electrons join nuclei and form H and He atoms, Universe becomes 'transparent' and photons can travel through it (origin of CMB)
Stars, galaxies and solar systems form
Universe has cooled to 3K by now, CMB photons' wavelength have increased into microwave spectrum due to expansion of the Universe.
Original post by Elcor
Turns out they are in parallel

I didn't really understand his explanation, so I can't explain it back to you. Sorry.



Universe begins for some bizarre reason
Sea of quarks and leptons
Quarks join to form protons and neutrons
Matter and antimatter annihilate, producing a huge amount of photons and an excess of matter
Protons and neutrons form H and He nuclei
Temp cools enough so that electrons join nuclei and form H and He atoms, Universe becomes 'transparent' and photons can travel through it (origin of CMB)
Stars, galaxies and solar systems form
Universe has cooled to 3K by now, CMB photons' wavelength have increased into microwave spectrum due to expansion of the Universe.


Why would it be that matter and antimatter annihilate after protons and neutrons have formed from quarks? Wouldn't the quarks and antiquarks just annihilate in the quark stage?

PS
In the mark scheme I think this would be irrelevant anyway!

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For capacitors thing I think I get it but still not 100%. So once you've charged up the first capacitor, you open the first switch and then close the second switch. Hence initially the two capacitors have different charges on them and so I have concluded this would mean they must be in parallel. Not a very satisfying explanation but I hope you can kind of see what I'm getting at.


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Original post by Hilton184
Why would it be that matter and antimatter annihilate after protons and neutrons have formed from quarks? Wouldn't the quarks and antiquarks just annihilate in the quark stage?

PS
In the mark scheme I think this would be irrelevant anyway!

Also
For capacitors thing I think I get it but still not 100%. So once you've charged up the first capacitor, you open the first switch and then close the second switch. Hence initially the two capacitors have different charges on them and so I have concluded this would mean they must be in parallel. Not a very satisfying explanation but I hope you can kind of see what I'm getting at.


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Yeah I thought that but l'Evil Fish said otherwise. I think that's right though, but I don't know if that's even in the spec or if it matters (no pun intended)

But what happens when charge starts to flow? Is it kind of intermediate between series and parallel, becoming parallel when it's reached its final p.d.?
Original post by Elcor
Yeah I thought that but l'Evil Fish said otherwise. I think that's right though, but I don't know if that's even in the spec or if it matters (no pun intended)

But what happens when charge starts to flow? Is it kind of intermediate between series and parallel, becoming parallel when it's reached its final p.d.?


I'd have thought quarks would have to fuse to make matter and anti matter to annihilate
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Original post by L'Evil Fish
I'd have thought quarks would have to fuse to make matter and anti matter to annihilate


I can see that being true, but there's no reason to believe it without evidence
Original post by L'Evil Fish
I'd have thought quarks would have to fuse to make matter and anti matter to annihilate


But quarks are matter, and we have antiquarks too which is antimatter. So an antiproton = anti up anti up anti down

So all the antiup quarks could annihilate with the up quarks?

Again it's irrelevant to the mark scheme as wouldn't really (anti)matter what order it's in!


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Original post by Elcor
Yeah I thought that but l'Evil Fish said otherwise. I think that's right though, but I don't know if that's even in the spec or if it matters (no pun intended)

But what happens when charge starts to flow? Is it kind of intermediate between series and parallel, becoming parallel when it's reached its final p.d.?


To be honest I don't really understand it properly as to whether it's parallel or series, that was the best sort of explanation I could come up with as to why it's parallel that's all haha.


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Original post by Hilton184
To be honest I don't really understand it properly as to whether it's parallel or series, that was the best sort of explanation I could come up with as to why it's parallel that's all haha.


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I hate capacitors :smile::smile::smile:
Reply 538
Could someone please explain to me the principles of ultrasound imaging?
Reply 539
Original post by Tiwa
Could someone please explain to me the principles of ultrasound imaging?


I was initially confused by what they were looking for when they say 'principles', but it turns out they're basically asking you to explain the physics of it, not how it's put to use practically.

-Ultrasound pulses are sent into the body and are reflected at boundaries between media
-The intensity of the reflected wave depends on the acoustic impedances of the two media
-The time taken for the pulse to be detected depends on the distance from the ultrasound source to the boundary
-Hence the detector can build an image based on these data

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