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  • With politics becoming becoming even more corrupt and run for the banks and for the political and higher class, do you feel that a revolution or peaceful disobedience is needed? Further more, if you add in the fall of the American 'Empire' and the crumbling of the dollar, with Russia and China's economy becoming the world's biggest, would the UK become smaller than it already has, compared to the huge empire it once had? Revolution or peace protest is needed with, i believe, direct democracy needed to stop the corrupt ruining the economy and to provide a new fairer world.
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I think a revolution would be wonderful, but it's not going to happen. People are very good at complaining but the truth is that the majority are actually happy with the status quo, drugged by the corporate machine of consumerism. It's looking increasingly reminiscent of Brave New World, just replacing the drugs with iPads.
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I think a revolution would be wonderful, but it's not going to happen. People are very good at complaining but the truth is that the majority are actually very happy, drugged by the corporate machine of consumerism.
Agreed.

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What would you want out of such a revolution?

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This is going to be a fairly unpopular opinion but I truly believe that a revolution would not be beneficial to this country. People don’t want a revolution, people don’t want war, people want to go to work, get paid and have a good time. Yes there are corrupt politicians/banks/corporations damaging us but I truly believe a revolution would not solve these issues, we need to evolve, evolution not revolution.
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(Original post by RoryEwan)
  • With politics becoming becoming even more corrupt and run for the banks and for the political and higher class, do you feel that a revolution or peaceful disobedience is needed? Further more, if you add in the fall of the American 'Empire' and the crumbling of the dollar, with Russia and China's economy becoming the world's biggest, would the UK become smaller than it already has, compared to the huge empire it once had? Revolution or peace protest is needed with, i believe, direct democracy needed to stop the corrupt ruining the economy and to provide a new fairer world.
Absolutely not. Even if you want change in the system, revolution just creates a power vacuum. Thankfully our population is not nearly revolutionary enough.

Well the fall of the American Empire and collapse of the dollar (which by the way would screw us given our exposure) has not yet happened and more importantly may never happen given that it's based on shaky grounds and a skeptical understanding of economics from most of the people who spout it.

China's economy will be the worlds largest, Russia's is nothing special.

Yes, relatively the UK will decline as things stand.

Heavily against direct democracy, half of our electorate cannot even name their MP.
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No. The next lot would be just as bad and just as many people would complain about them. That's the status quo.
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No? Read a book revolutions end in disastrous civil war. In fact stop reading that's probably the problem, go and bloody experience one and then come back.
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I don't know what a revolution would look like or who's gonna do it. I'm certainly not.
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The status quo is students moaning about the establishment. Been that way for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
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The status quo is students moaning about the establishment. Been that way for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
I'd say about 150 as a serious estimate, as more liberties were granted people became more self entitled because they knew they wouldn't be tortured for their demands.
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I'd say about 150 as a serious estimate, as more liberties were granted people became more self entitled because they knew they wouldn't be tortured for their demands.
I think there's evidence from antiquity about annoying students- I think it was Virgil or Livy.
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(Original post by Chlorophile)
I think a revolution would be wonderful, but it's not going to happen. People are very good at complaining but the truth is that the majority are actually happy with the status quo, drugged by the corporate machine of consumerism. It's looking increasingly reminiscent of Brave New World, just replacing the drugs with iPads.
That sounds like something right out of a 14yr old's 'edgy' tumblr.
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That sounds like something right out of a 14yr old's 'edgy' tumblr.
That's what Socialism is. It's about using the best buzzwords without any corresponding notions. +1 If you are more dogmatic and righteous about your childish views.
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That sounds like something right out of a 14yr old's 'edgy' tumblr.
I know, that did come out disturbingly melodramatic. It wouldn't look too out of place on /r/im14andthisisdeep but it does have an element of truth in it.
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(Original post by Chlorophile)
I think a revolution would be wonderful, but it's not going to happen. People are very good at complaining but the truth is that the majority are actually happy with the status quo, drugged by the corporate machine of consumerism. It's looking increasingly reminiscent of Brave New World, just replacing the drugs with iPads.
Except whether or not you have an iPad is entirely up to you, provided you can afford it.
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No we don't need a revolution. Revolutions are needed when lots of people are extremely unhappy and/or very poor and/or oppressed, and the seriously large negatives of revolution are worth it. Neither can be said about this country, and the idea we need a revolution is something only supported by 15yr olds (or people with 15yr olds minds). This country is actually pretty damn good at the moment. Probably one of the best places to live on earth, ever.

The Arab Spring was a great example of a revolution which was very necessary.
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Except whether or not you have an iPad is entirely up to you, provided you can afford it.
Not entirely sure you understood what I was trying to convey with that metaphor but okay.
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Not entirely sure you understood what I was trying to convey with that metaphor but okay.
Brave New World was a totalitarian society based on coercion. (And well, total ownership within the hierarchical genetic system).

There is no coercion in consumerism. It is entirely optional.
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That's what Socialism is. It's about using the best buzzwords without any corresponding notions. +1 If you are more dogmatic and righteous about your childish views.
Yes, unless you're a socialist who actually realises and accepts the negatives that come with it.
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