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Hi Guys,

I've just received an interview slot (yay!) but in the e-mail it states it's for PGDE... Is this diploma the same as a standard PGCE?

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Is this for a university in Scotland?
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I did read that is was the Scottish equivalent - but actually, this is for Liverpool John Moore's...

Hmmm...
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I did read that is was the Scottish equivalent - but actually, this is for Liverpool John Moore's...

Hmmm...


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In England a PGDE (also referred to as an Advanced PGCE or PgDip in Education) is the same as a standard PGCE in regards to employment prospects but its all at masters level whereas only a part of the PGCE is.
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In England a PGDE (also referred to as an Advanced PGCE or PgDip in Education) is the same as a standard PGCE in regards to employment prospects but its all at masters level whereas only a part of the PGCE is.
I thought it was all at diploma level and not masters?
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I thought it was all at diploma level and not masters?
A diploma isn't a level, its a type of qualification. PGDE is done at level 7 (masters level) but isn't a full masters; however you can transfer credits over to a masters course or submit a dissertation to turn the PGDE into a MA in Education.

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A diploma isn't a level, its a type of qualification. PGDE is done at level 7 (masters level) but isn't a full masters; however you can transfer credits over to a masters course or submit a dissertation to turn the PGDE into a MA in Education.

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Oh right, but isn't that the same as what you can do with a PGCE?
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Oh right, but isn't that the same as what you can do with a PGCE?
I'd imagine you'd have to do extra modules as well as the dissertation if you wanted to turn a PGCE into a MA in Education as only part of the PGCE is at level 7. You get 60 masters credits with a PGCE (PGDE is 120) so I guess you could use them towards a masters (apparently most courses only allow you to transfer 60 credits anyway).

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I'm currently studying at LJMU doing the PGDE Secondary English route. The main difference is, as others have said, that it is a diploma and you are working at masters level.
By doing the PGDE route you have to write masters level essays alongside your ITT. I'm currently working on a 4000 word subject pedagogy essay, which students on the schools direct route don't have to do.
Once you graduate you receive recommendation for QTS as well as 2/3 of a masters of education. If you want the full masters you need to go back to write a dissertation.
The PGDE is a fantastic course with lots of faculty support. You still get in school experience in 2 different schools; a 'home' school and alternative placement.
Hope this helps!
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I'm currently studying at LJMU doing the PGDE Secondary English route. The main difference is, as others have said, that it is a diploma and you are working at masters level.
By doing the PGDE route you have to write masters level essays alongside your ITT. I'm currently working on a 4000 word subject pedagogy essay, which students on the schools direct route don't have to do.
Once you graduate you receive recommendation for QTS as well as 2/3 of a masters of education. If you want the full masters you need to go back to write a dissertation.
The PGDE is a fantastic course with lots of faculty support. You still get in school experience in 2 different schools; a 'home' school and alternative placement.
Hope this helps!

Masters level essays have to be done on the PGCE too - i'm still confused by the difference haha!
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The way I understand it is that both are completed at masters level, but for a different amount of credits.
Pgce gives 60 masters credits (1/3 of a masters qualification) and pgde gives 120 masters credits (2/3 of a masters)


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The way I understand it is that both are completed at masters level, but for a different amount of credits.
Pgce gives 60 masters credits (1/3 of a masters qualification) and pgde gives 120 masters credits (2/3 of a masters)


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According to my in PGCE handbook the first two levels are done at foundation level, one is done at honors level and one is at masters.
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Hi Guys,

I've just received an interview slot (yay!) but in the e-mail it states it's for PGDE... Is this diploma the same as a standard PGCE?

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Not much but nowadays PGDE means you are qualified to teach in secondary schools too
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Not much but nowadays PGDE means you are qualified to teach in secondary schools too
As well as Primary or FE?

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Once you've completed ITT you can teach any phase and any subject, schools will probably prefer to take you on in the phase you've trained in though.

My PGCE course has 2 masters level assignments first one is 20 credits, second one is 40 credits. If you fail them you get a professional graduate cert. ed. rather than a postgraduate but as both are PGCE no one checks anyway.

At the end of the day schools are looking for good teachers not what type of ITT you did
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I if you study a pgde in england can you still teach in scotland as scotland does not accept pace
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