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Disclaimer: This post is not concerned whether climate change is real or not, so please don't address that question.
The way people who don't believe in human generated climate change are treated is ridiculous. The name 'climate change denier' sounds like a simulacrum of 'holocaust denier', as if it is even remotely comparable. Some institutions have silenced or kicked people out for being 'climate deniers'. Green Peace called for anyone who doesn't believe in climate change to be kicked out of government.
The idea of reprimanding people for not believing in a scientific hypothesis is utterly ridiculous.
The way people who don't believe in human generated climate change are treated is ridiculous. The name 'climate change denier' sounds like a simulacrum of 'holocaust denier', as if it is even remotely comparable. Some institutions have silenced or kicked people out for being 'climate deniers'. Green Peace called for anyone who doesn't believe in climate change to be kicked out of government.
The idea of reprimanding people for not believing in a scientific hypothesis is utterly ridiculous.
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I believe they should be given a proportional platform to publicize their believes, like in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg
I am a strong believer in climate change as, as a penguin I have watched it firm hand. Just yesterday I saw my igloo melt into the sea!
I am a strong believer in climate change as, as a penguin I have watched it firm hand. Just yesterday I saw my igloo melt into the sea!
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Climate change deniers should be duly cast into the sea. When the cataclysm comes there will be no room for them on the ark.
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I agree with my fellow penguin, that said I don't remember where I live, so that isn't guaranteed to be climate change's fault.
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Climate change deniers should be duly cast into the sea. When the cataclysm comes there will be no room for them on the ark.
Climate change deniers should be duly cast into the sea. When the cataclysm comes there will be no room for them on the ark.
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Warmism isn't science. It's religion. The eco-fascists generally refuse to accept that any hypothesis other than their own should even be discussed regardless of merit.
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But why? Aren't you a liberal? Don't you believe people should be free to have their own opinions and ideas, as long as they aren't intolerant?
But why? Aren't you a liberal? Don't you believe people should be free to have their own opinions and ideas, as long as they aren't intolerant?
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The fact that people react in this way shows they have doubts themselves, or at least insecurity in their own point of view.
The fact that people react in this way shows they have doubts themselves, or at least insecurity in their own point of view.
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We should raise taxes and use the money to fund technology to help us in the war against climate change and global warming.
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Or that, y'know, it's been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the world is on the brink of environmental catastrophe yet somehow we still have people actively trying to stop us doing anything about it which is totally lame and needs to stop.
Or that, y'know, it's been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the world is on the brink of environmental catastrophe yet somehow we still have people actively trying to stop us doing anything about it which is totally lame and needs to stop.
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We should raise taxes and use the money to fund technology to help us in the war against climate change and global warming.
We should raise taxes and use the money to fund technology to help us in the war against climate change and global warming.
Do you support a corporatist system to combat global warming? When that results in a ballooning in the power of the state and increased government corruption don't come running to me...
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Climate change is an excuse to give the government more power over our lives. Just like the War on Terror, or the economic crisis.
Climate change is an excuse to give the government more power over our lives. Just like the War on Terror, or the economic crisis.
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Like I said; intellectual bankruptcy.
Like I said; intellectual bankruptcy.
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(Original post by KingBradly)
Disclaimer: This post is not concerned whether climate change is real or not, so please don't address that question.
The way people who don't believe in human generated climate change are treated is ridiculous. The name 'climate change denier' sounds like a simulacrum of 'holocaust denier', as if it is even remotely comparable. Some institutions have silenced or kicked people out for being 'climate deniers'. Green Peace called for anyone who doesn't believe in climate change to be kicked out of government.
The idea of reprimanding people for not believing in a scientific hypothesis is utterly ridiculous.
Disclaimer: This post is not concerned whether climate change is real or not, so please don't address that question.
The way people who don't believe in human generated climate change are treated is ridiculous. The name 'climate change denier' sounds like a simulacrum of 'holocaust denier', as if it is even remotely comparable. Some institutions have silenced or kicked people out for being 'climate deniers'. Green Peace called for anyone who doesn't believe in climate change to be kicked out of government.
The idea of reprimanding people for not believing in a scientific hypothesis is utterly ridiculous.
If you went to a doctor who told you that you've got a Malignant tumor and you need immediate surgery if you want to stay alive, you might go to another doctor to get a second opinion. What climate denialists are effectively doing is visiting 50 doctors who all say it's malign and is probably going to kill you, before finding one single doctor (who just so happens to be employed by a certain industry that benefits from him giving you this advice) that it's Benign and that you've got nothing to worry about. A sane human being would operate on it since 98% of the doctors have told him that it's a serious risk to his health. What climate change denialists are doing is believing that one doctor.
You base decisions on the best current available evidence, not on evidence that has a remote chance of possibly existing in the far future. The consequences of not acting against climate change ridiculously outweigh the consequences of acting. I completely support ousting climate change denialists from decision making processes because they are a danger to society. We cannot have key decision makers who are unwilling to act on science, not for something as important as this. We can debate things like the existence of God or the Higgs Boson as much as we want. But ignoring Climate Change is a risk we can't afford.
A note on why I call it denial and not skepticism: being skeptical is good. All scientists are skeptical so there's nothing wrong with being a skeptic. However, given that the overwhelming body of evidence suggests that we are causing serious climate change, to claim that this isn't the case is a denial of the evidence.
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Yes but there's a big difference between rational civilised debate and "HE DISAGREES, HE MUST BE SILENCED!
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Yes but there's a big difference between rational civilised debate and "HE DISAGREES, HE MUST BE SILENCED!
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You see this kind of closed mindedness in other affairs.
Austerity/cuts is the ONLY way forward - anybody that brings up rational arguments about how public investment can yield positive returns gets shouted down, "deficit denier", "lost the argument on the economy", "clueless", "economically illiterate" (the last one is my favourite, because I don't think I've ever heard an economist use that as an insult, its invariably people that have never studied economics past A level)
Also immigration is BAD and you can't say anything otherwise - anybody that brings up the economic evidence that shows a) immigration does not have negative effects on jobs/wages, b) immigration brings net benefits to the public finances as migrants pay more in tax than they consume in services gets shouted down "liberal do-gooder", "traitors to the country", "politically correct nonsense".
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a hypothesis that the people that take the stances above, and are closed minded to any opposing argument, also complain that they are victims of 'anti-climate denier fascism', am I right....?
Austerity/cuts is the ONLY way forward - anybody that brings up rational arguments about how public investment can yield positive returns gets shouted down, "deficit denier", "lost the argument on the economy", "clueless", "economically illiterate" (the last one is my favourite, because I don't think I've ever heard an economist use that as an insult, its invariably people that have never studied economics past A level)
Also immigration is BAD and you can't say anything otherwise - anybody that brings up the economic evidence that shows a) immigration does not have negative effects on jobs/wages, b) immigration brings net benefits to the public finances as migrants pay more in tax than they consume in services gets shouted down "liberal do-gooder", "traitors to the country", "politically correct nonsense".
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a hypothesis that the people that take the stances above, and are closed minded to any opposing argument, also complain that they are victims of 'anti-climate denier fascism', am I right....?
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Saying the over population has nothing to do with climate change is ridiculous.
Saying the over population has nothing to do with climate change is ridiculous.
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You see this kind of closed mindedness in other affairs.
Austerity/cuts is the ONLY way forward - anybody that brings up rational arguments about how public investment can yield positive returns gets shouted down, "deficit denier", "lost the argument on the economy", "clueless", "economically illiterate" (the last one is my favourite, because I don't think I've ever heard an economist use that as an insult, its invariably people that have never studied economics past A level)
Also immigration is BAD and you can't say anything otherwise - anybody that brings up the economic evidence that shows a) immigration does not have negative effects on jobs/wages, b) immigration brings net benefits to the public finances as migrants pay more in tax than they consume in services gets shouted down "liberal do-gooder", "traitors to the country", "politically correct nonsense".
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a hypothesis that the people that take the stances above, and are closed minded to any opposing argument, also complain that they are victims of 'anti-climate denier fascism', am I right....?
You see this kind of closed mindedness in other affairs.
Austerity/cuts is the ONLY way forward - anybody that brings up rational arguments about how public investment can yield positive returns gets shouted down, "deficit denier", "lost the argument on the economy", "clueless", "economically illiterate" (the last one is my favourite, because I don't think I've ever heard an economist use that as an insult, its invariably people that have never studied economics past A level)
Also immigration is BAD and you can't say anything otherwise - anybody that brings up the economic evidence that shows a) immigration does not have negative effects on jobs/wages, b) immigration brings net benefits to the public finances as migrants pay more in tax than they consume in services gets shouted down "liberal do-gooder", "traitors to the country", "politically correct nonsense".
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a hypothesis that the people that take the stances above, and are closed minded to any opposing argument, also complain that they are victims of 'anti-climate denier fascism', am I right....?
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Yes but there's a big difference between rational civilised debate and "HE DISAGREES, HE MUST BE SILENCED!".
Yes but there's a big difference between rational civilised debate and "HE DISAGREES, HE MUST BE SILENCED!
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