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The religion of peace is at it again. Armed police arrested 4 muslims who were plotting terrorist attacks thought to be for Remembrance Sunday and police are investigation the possibility of a gun attack on civilians and armed service personnel.
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Disgusting "people".
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I predicted an arrest for exactly this a few days ago when taking to a friend. Not surprising.

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I just wish the Muslim community would do more to distance itself from these pigs.
OH stfu, what do you want us to do?

Does the atheist community publicly denounce Kim Jong Un?

I'm so sick and tired of these comments, do you think all Muslims are happy about what's going on out there?
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OH stfu, what do you want us to do?

Does the atheist community publicly denounce Kim Jong Un?

I'm so sick and tired of these comments, do you think all Muslims are happy about what's going on out there?
Atheism isn't an ideology.

But I kinda agree with you. Muslims are in a bit of position where dammed if you do dammed if you don't, but at the same time I don't feel like the British Muslim community care too much about these kids going abroad to fight in the numbers they do or attempting to carry out plots here. Definitely more concerned about Palestine than issues in their own community.

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Atheism isn't an ideology.

But I kinda agree with you. Muslims are in a bit of position where dammed if you do dammed if you don't, but at the same time I don't feel like the British Muslim community care too much about these kids going abroad to fight in the numbers they do or attempting to carry out plots here. Definitely more concerned about Palestine than issues in their own community.

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This irks me so much, because if you actually look deeper, if you come to my local mosque, if you research into any British Muslim community you'll see how much we resent such actions ._. yet, people elsewhere will never know (and thus they assume we're all content with it- which isn't the case)


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Yes I often complain about Kim Jong Un. So, the comments above made inappropriate comments about Islam and you go ahead any lay into someone who has some respect for the religion?
But you see, how do you know that I haven't already complained about it?

You just assume that Muslims are ok with it, which isn't true~
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This irks me so much, because if you actually look deeper, if you come to my local mosque, if you research into any British Muslim community you'll see how much we resent such actions ._. yet, people elsewhere will never know (and thus they assume we're all content with it- which isn't the case)




But you see, how do you know that I haven't already complained about it?

You just assume that Muslims are ok with it, which isn't true~
Trust me I know many Muslims Imams have issued Fatwas against acts of terrorism, but still, I just feel personally that Islam as an entity needs to modernise. If you get what I mean? The Catholics had the central authority (The Papacy) to reform what was a very corrupt church prior to the reformation, with very archaic views.

I simply have a frustration with Islam which I feel has failed to modernise WHOLLY (I understand there are still 'backwards' Christians and Jews as well) in the 1400 years or so since its foundations. I have many Muslim friends, and they are good people. But you should be willing to accept criticism of your religion or people will always hold the negative stereotypes I presume you don't like/associate with.

Overall, I hold the view that religion is an archaic evil that needs to be eliminated from human history with all due haste. But that is not against any one religion, but against all.
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This irks me so much, because if you actually look deeper, if you come to my local mosque, if you research into any British Muslim community you'll see how much we resent such actions ._. yet, people elsewhere will never know (and thus they assume we're all content with it- which isn't the case)




But you see, how do you know that I haven't already complained about it?

You just assume that Muslims are ok with it, which isn't true~
Yet it's getting worse and worse. One has to wonder how much you actually do about it, rather than feeling a certain way about it. No matter what way you look at it, this is a massive problem in the British Muslim community. Youve got more British Muslims fighting for jihad than you've got Indian Muslims who number around 200 million or so. There is a problem here.

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Atheism isn't an ideology.

But I kinda agree with you. Muslims are in a bit of position where dammed if you do dammed if you don't, but at the same time I don't feel like the British Muslim community care too much about these kids going abroad to fight in the numbers they do or attempting to carry out plots here. Definitely more concerned about Palestine than issues in their own community.

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Spot on with Palestine. British Muslims do not seem to care as much for the Islamists in Libya or Hezbollah in Lebanon.
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OH stfu, what do you want us to do?

Does the atheist community publicly denounce Kim Jong Un?

I'm so sick and tired of these comments, do you think all Muslims are happy about what's going on out there?
Kim Jong Un does what he does in the name of Communism, not atheism.
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Kim Jong Un does what he does in the name of Communism, not atheism.
He does what he does because he's been brought up a lunatic in a mad country by a madman. He has been brought up to believe that he is a god.
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He does what he does because he's been brought up a lunatic in a mad country by a madman. He has been brought up to believe that he is a god.
Exactly. North Korea may as well be a theocracy. It certainly isn't a sceptical country; quite the opposite.
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Exactly. North Korea may as well be a theocracy. It certainly isn't a sceptical country; quite the opposite.
North Korea has its own apologists in exactly the same way. Just as Islamic terror provokes a "that's not the real Islam" defence, North Korean atrocity has the "that's not the real communism"
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North Korea has its own apologists in exactly the same way. Just as Islamic terror provokes a "that's not the real Islam" defence, North Korean atrocity has the "that's not the real communism"
I actually think Communism and Islamism are really not that dissimilar. The thing is, there are millions of people who identify as Muslims but who aren't the enemy of secularists, so that's why I distinguish between Islamism and Islam (while I regard pretty much all of Communism as my enemy).
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Fools never learn.

The alarming thing is that a lot of these terrorists are medical and law students, yet they have the moral awareness of cavemen! (Cavepeople, sorry)

They should be struck off their courses and deported as a deterrent to others. We should not kill them, as they consider that to be honourable. They should be deported to Iran where there will be no evil Westerners, and no godforsaken liberty or free speech.
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Fools never learn.

The alarming thing is that a lot of these terrorists are medical and law students, yet they have the moral awareness of cavemen! (Cavepeople, sorry)

They should be struck off their courses and deported as a deterrent to others. We should not kill them, as they consider that to be honourable. They should be deported to Iran where there will be no evil Westerners, and no godforsaken liberty or free speech.
Iran doesn't deserve these backward minded fools. Most of Iranian civil society hates the Islamism and regime.

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Muslims arrested for plotting to assassinate the Queen! on Remembrance weekend. Apparently they were going to murder her outside the Royal Albert Hall

Absolute disgrace is it time to admit Islam is simply incompatible with the UK and our society would be better off without it

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_6123044.html
http://nypost.com/2014/11/07/plot-to...ed-by-bobbies/
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Trust me I know many Muslims Imams have issued Fatwas against acts of terrorism, but still, I just feel personally that Islam as an entity needs to modernise. If you get what I mean? The Catholics had the central authority (The Papacy) to reform what was a very corrupt church prior to the reformation, with very archaic views.

I simply have a frustration with Islam which I feel has failed to modernise WHOLLY (I understand there are still 'backwards' Christians and Jews as well) in the 1400 years or so since its foundations. I have many Muslim friends, and they are good people. But you should be willing to accept criticism of your religion or people will always hold the negative stereotypes I presume you don't like/associate with.

Overall, I hold the view that religion is an archaic evil that needs to be eliminated from human history with all due haste. But that is not against any one religion, but against all.
I'm slightly confused by your views....

Firstly, you express your wishes that Islam needs to distance itself from such acts, but if you "know many muslim Imams" who do that, then isn't that enough?

Then you move on to say that Islam needs to reform, as a young British Muslim, I don't really understand what reforms you think I would need to do? I believe in science- in fact I'm a dentistry student, I obey the law and I volunteer a lot in my local community. So what changes in my life do you think I need to do?

This is hysterical. Now you say that Muslims need to be able to deal with criticism better. Do you think that I am not dealing with criticism well in this scenario?
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Kim Jong Un does what he does in the name of Communism, not atheism.
That's my point. His actions don't reflect atheism, duh.


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Yet it's getting worse and worse. One has to wonder how much you actually do about it, rather than feeling a certain way about it. No matter what way you look at it, this is a massive problem in the British Muslim community. Youve got more British Muslims fighting for jihad than you've got Indian Muslims who number around 200 million or so. There is a problem here.

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Wait, what?

"the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population." ["2011 Census: KS209EW Religion, local authorities in England and Wales (Excel sheet 270Kb)" (xls). Office for National Statistics. Retrieved 7 July 2014.]


So what you're saying doesn't make much sense o.o
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Then you move on to say that Islam needs to reform, as a young British Muslim, I don't really understand what reforms you think I would need to do? I believe in science- in fact I'm a dentistry student,
Do you believe in human evolution?

I obey the law and I volunteer a lot in my local community.
Do you believe in stoning and amputations and other types of torture and execution under shariah and do you think that shariah is better than secular law?
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