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I completely agree here, as someone who has experience with psychiatric wards, there really are a lot of factors that are put into each admission and it's not simply a case of asking to be on one. At times this really sucks but this happens for a reason and if you've been in A&E every night and you still haven't been admitted or referred it may indicate that it's felt that you probably wouldn't benefit from an admission. I hope you feel better in the foreseeable future as mental illness is super sucky and an absolute drain x
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I'm sorry but it really sounds as if Superwolf is right . . .

I haven't seen anything here that makes me think you are at severe risk of hurting yourself or others. This is the sole reason for psychiatric wards . . . and they are not fun places to be. I get that mental health problems are exhausting but if people could go to hospital for anything no one would ever truly get better, you have to learn to manage your condition within the community. The therapy and medications you've tried may not be brilliant but it can take a long time to find the stuff that does work, on average it takes about 10 years. Personally I've been in ill for 7 years and only recently found a solution that lets me function normally and vent hen I have blips that I have to deal with, and it's about gaining the skills to deal with it, hospital doesn't really help with this.

You say that you are using more resources at A and E every night but this criteria isn't accounted for when assigning beds. Beds are at a shortage and we need to give ones to those who are suffering the most. And to be frank if you've been in A and E every night for a year the fact you haven't been given a bed is telling that you might not benefit from it, hospitals are a short term solution. Trust the doctors, continue with therapy and medication, don't give up and stay strong and I'm sure you will recover in time.
No no and no. I cant waste another 10 years going to aene every night, my whole youth will have gone by then and i might as well kill myself if its going to take that long to recover. Care as an outpatient hasnt worked and im not going to waste years like that hoping that a miracle wil happen.
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Its odd that when i posted an AMA and saying that basically i had no life, everybody was saying i should get sectioned, and yet now when i feel i really do need it, people are opposed. Why is this?
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No no and no. I cant waste another 10 years going to aene every night, my whole youth will have gone by then and i might as well kill myself if its going to take that long to recover. Care as an outpatient hasnt worked and im not going to waste years like that hoping that a miracle wil happen.
Just a question: Why do you go to A and E every night? Is it to get emergency medication? To get out the house? Because you are at risk of hurting yourself or others?

Anther question: How long have you been in outpatient care? Do you have an official diagnosis? How many medications have you tried? How many therapy sessions have you had?

Of course you don't have to answer these questions, I get that it's personal stuff and you might not be comfortable disclosing this info, I just wanna get a better sense of how to help.
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honestly mental hospitals are not nice places to be, you certainly shouldn't wish to be in one... I agree with what others have said that if you're struggling with health anxiety etc being in a hospital is not what you need, you need distance from medical places in general and unfortunately an IP unit is not going to offer you anything special that an OP therapist cannot give... inpatient is used when a person is a serious risk to themselves or others, so as a last resort to keep that person alive until their illness can be managed... what you need to do is challenge your anxiety and so on, which you can do more effectively outside a hospital setting

I do think the NHS fails in terms of mental health care in some respects but I think it is a good thing that they do not admit people to hospital easily, I don't think admissions to mental health units are helpful if they can possibly be avoided
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(Original post by doodle_333)
honestly mental hospitals are not nice places to be, you certainly shouldn't wish to be in one... I agree with what others have said that if you're struggling with health anxiety etc being in a hospital is not what you need, you need distance from medical places in general and unfortunately an IP unit is not going to offer you anything special that an OP therapist cannot give... inpatient is used when a person is a serious risk to themselves or others, so as a last resort to keep that person alive until their illness can be managed... what you need to do is challenge your anxiety and so on, which you can do more effectively outside a hospital setting

I do think the NHS fails in terms of mental health care in some respects but I think it is a good thing that they do not admit people to hospital easily, I don't think admissions to mental health units are helpful if they can possibly be avoided
I spend most of the time in hospital anyway, and its not nice. At least if im placed somewhere privately it would be more homely. Im just going home from hospital now in fact, at 3 in the morning.
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(Original post by Squaresquirrel)
Just a question: Why do you go to A and E every night? Is it to get emergency medication? To get out the house? Because you are at risk of hurting yourself or others?

Anther question: How long have you been in outpatient care? Do you have an official diagnosis? How many medications have you tried? How many therapy sessions have you had?

Of course you don't have to answer these questions, I get that it's personal stuff and you might not be comfortable disclosing this info, I just wanna get a better sense of how to help.
Because i get chest pain and i get scared its a heart attack. They wont even test me anymore which makes it worse.
Ive been in care for 2 years now, had cbt and psychotherapy. Ive been on citalopram, sertraline and chlormipramine. Things are only getting worse.
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As others have said a psychiatric ward is not what you seem to think it is.

For example:
  • It is extremely boring (seriously bring a book with you)
  • You don't see a doctor more than once a week
  • They don't actually treat you for anything other than giving you medication (which as you said earlier didn't work for you)
  • You get people looking in on you constantly because you are under observation (no privacy even when sleeping)
  • No councilling
  • Utterly unpleasant environment


So based on what you have said in this thread I don't see how being in a psychiatric ward will help. You'll just be stuck in your room all day with nothing to do and you won't be able to see a doctor so your health concerns won't be made any better.

All I did when I was in hospital was read books and smoke. That is pretty much all there is to do. They did have a TV in the shared area but I didn't want to spend my time there so I just sat in my room.
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But you aren't in any way equipped to decide what will or will not help an individual that you don't know, who is suffering with mental illness. Nor am I for that matter. Especially considering you said in one post that being hospitalised didn't help you but in another you said you wouldn't be here if you didn't get a bed in a hospital?

It's not up to you (or me!) to decide whether hospitalisation would benefit the OP. She feels like she'd benefit from it, I don't know why you are so adamant that she firstly doesn't need it, and secondly it wouldn't help her. She's her own person.

Tell me, why else would doctors recommend CBT, why else would people pay so much privately for CBT, and why would there be so many professionals trained in It when it's as simple a case as just saying to someone 'think with your brain, not your emotions?'. It's a lot more complex like that and takes a lot of dedication and support.

Also, I don't agree with how you reduced her home life situation to such a minor issue describing it as 'not the most helpful'. It sounds like it could well be a family abuse case and by you reducing it to just not being that 'helpful' you may be reducing the likelihood of her recieving help for it by leading her to believe it's not the issue she's making it out to be.



I don't want to sound harsh but I just want what's best for the OP. And I did agree with your last part.
I'm with superwolf.

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Because i get chest pain and i get scared its a heart attack. They wont even test me anymore which makes it worse.
Ive been in care for 2 years now, had cbt and psychotherapy. Ive been on citalopram, sertraline and chlormipramine. Things are only getting worse.
Essentially you seem to be suffering from anxiety. (I assume as you haven't actually had a heart attack). Being scared of being harmed is not sufficient reason for admission to a psychiatric ward. You need to be in real and immediate danger.

Also I know it's not what you want to hear but 2 years and three medications really isn't that long in terms of mental health.

It may seem like I'm being a bit harsh, but I honestly feel hospital will not help you, and it might even make things worse. How often do you see your care co-ordinator? It might be worth talking to her/him and asking to see her/him more regularly, attend some more therapy sessions and tell the therapist exactly what you struggle with. When you feel scared that you are in danger think thoughts like 'I've felt this way every night for the last year and nothing bad has happened, nothing bad will happen this time'. Do you live with anyone that you trust enough to confide in?? Maybe spending time with them when you feel bad and set up a system that they will call 999 if they think you need it, rather than you calling/going to A and E.

It's little things like this that make the difference - not locking yourself away from society where you will not learn any techniques and will possibly be ten times worse when released.
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(Original post by Squaresquirrel)
Essentially you seem to be suffering from anxiety. (I assume as you haven't actually had a heart attack). Being scared of being harmed is not sufficient reason for admission to a psychiatric ward. You need to be in real and immediate danger.

Also I know it's not what you want to hear but 2 years and three medications really isn't that long in terms of mental health.

It may seem like I'm being a bit harsh, but I honestly feel hospital will not help you, and it might even make things worse. How often do you see your care co-ordinator? It might be worth talking to her/him and asking to see her/him more regularly, attend some more therapy sessions and tell the therapist exactly what you struggle with. When you feel scared that you are in danger think thoughts like 'I've felt this way every night for the last year and nothing bad has happened, nothing bad will happen this time'. Do you live with anyone that you trust enough to confide in?? Maybe spending time with them when you feel bad and set up a system that they will call 999 if they think you need it, rather than you calling/going to A and E.

It's little things like this that make the difference - not locking yourself away from society where you will not learn any techniques and will possibly be ten times worse when released.
I dont have a care coordinator.
Thanks but youre really not helpful.
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I dont have a care coordinator.
Thanks but youre really not helpful.
Why don't you have a care co-ordinator???
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Why don't you have a care co-ordinator???
I dont know.
As ive said im looking to get referred to the priory hospital which is private.
Nobody here understands the severity of my problem. Nobody has had to rot in a hospital waiting room from 10 in the evening to 3 in the morning.
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I dont know.
As ive said im looking to get referred to the priory hospital which is private.
Nobody here understands the severity of my problem. Nobody has had to rot in a hospital waiting room from 10 in the evening to 3 in the morning.
Have you ever had one?? Are you seeing your GP? It may be worth asking your GP to be referred to CAMHS/CMHT (depending on your age), if you feel that you need more intensive treatment, but honestly I really believe that hospital is not the way to go.

Also I'm pretty sure many people here have been in A and E before - personally I've spent over 7 hours in A and E one night. It's not a case of we don't understand (although obviously we don't know you personally so we have limited info), it's just that the people here who have had experience of psychiatric wards know what they can and can't help with. Anxiety is one of things that psychiatric wards are really pretty useless at treating.
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I spend most of the time in hospital anyway, and its not nice. At least if im placed somewhere privately it would be more homely. Im just going home from hospital now in fact, at 3 in the morning.
a psychiatric ward will be worse than an a&e department...
to be honest it sounds like you are A. a bit entitled, in the sense that care is given to the most extreme cases and those in most need, you do not get to decide what you do and don't get (e.g. dont be resentful if you don't get an ECG) and B. in denial, ultimately you need to stop doing these negative behaviours like seeking medical treatment and only by forcing yourself to stop can you actually help your condition, I know it's hard but it wont be any easier in a mental hospital, they don't have any special cure that OP therapists don't have access to
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Nobody here understands the severity of my problem. Nobody has had to rot in a hospital waiting room from 10 in the evening to 3 in the morning.
Incorrect. I've been in A&E when I badly cut my arm on broken glass and had to wait for about 4 or 5 hours to be seen (since I wasn't dying of blood loss they had me as low priority since I just needed stitches).

Just remember that anxiety isn't life threatening and therefore won't be a valid reason to be admitted to hospital.

What kind of mental health care do you get at the moment? I assume there must be someone you can talk too about these issues. Hospital really won't help, I've been there, I know what it is like. If anything I felt more anxious in hospital than I did when I was at home.
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a psychiatric ward will be worse than an a&e department...
to be honest it sounds like you are A. a bit entitled, in the sense that care is given to the most extreme cases and those in most need, you do not get to decide what you do and don't get (e.g. dont be resentful if you don't get an ECG) and B. in denial, ultimately you need to stop doing these negative behaviours like seeking medical treatment and only by forcing yourself to stop can you actually help your condition, I know it's hard but it wont be any easier in a mental hospital, they don't have any special cure that OP therapists don't have access to
How dare you say im entitled?? You dont know what I have to go through every day, my life is a living nightmare and being treated as an outpatient hasn't worked.
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Incorrect. I've been in A&E when I badly cut my arm on broken glass and had to wait for about 4 or 5 hours to be seen (since I wasn't dying of blood loss they had me as low priority since I just needed stitches).

Just remember that anxiety isn't life threatening and therefore won't be a valid reason to be admitted to hospital.

What kind of mental health care do you get at the moment? I assume there must be someone you can talk too about these issues. Hospital really won't help, I've been there, I know what it is like. If anything I felt more anxious in hospital than I did when I was at home.
Well what if I told you that thats what I go through every single day??

I have nobody. There's a psychiatrist who sees me once in a blue moon but im not going to rely on the NHS to treat my condition anymore. Its been an absolute failure.
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How dare you say im entitled?? You dont know what I have to go through every day, my life is a living nightmare and being treated as an outpatient hasn't worked.
You think any of us have nice lives? All of us have mental health conditions that have resulted in hospital admissions. You think you are the only one with a **** life? Come and live a day in my shoes and see what it is like having schizophrenia and see how much you like that.

People here are trying to help you but you keep ignoring all the advice you are being given.
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In answer to yout question, you can be. Both my admissions happened within the day. In saying that, I think your GP is more likely to refer you to community services than to a psychiatric ward. As others have said, hospital isn't a magic fix, and is a horrible place to be. YOU need to be willing to make changes, and if you go in with the attitude that hospital is going to suddenly cure you, you'll find yourself much worse off. My admissions have been hands down the hardest, most unpleasant experiences of my life, and often, hospital actually exacerbates rather than helps the problem.


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