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Rosetta scientist breaks down in tears after being bullied by puritanical SJWs

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/14/rosetta-comet-dr-matt-taylor-apology-sexist-shirt?commentpage=1

Pretty depressing really. An incredible scientific feet, and all these narcissists care about is self-pitying and attention, because this dude's shirt reminds them of the thing they secretly hate the most: sex.

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Lol

Stick and stones will break my bones but words will scar me for life

What's wrong with people these days?

Why doesn't he just ignore them?

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It is it a pretty dismal affair. I don't think insulting the people who are making this silly claims is particularly helpful since it's just going to strengthen their conviction that men are evil but obviously what they are saying is absurd, pathetic and totally unfair. Poor man.
Clearly bullied into it. Hopefully those tears aren't genuine; they don't look it to me.

I like how the Grauniad say that it "infuriated fellow scientists" yet fail to provide any examples. Unless "feminist science journalists" count.
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Original post by Chlorophile
It is it a pretty dismal affair. I don't think insulting the people who are making this silly claims is particularly helpful since it's just going to strengthen their conviction that men are evil but obviously what they are saying is absurd, pathetic and totally unfair. Poor man.


You're probably right, but I find it hard not to be angered. I'm sick of being made to feel as if I'm the immoral one because I'm not bullying some guy to tears for an ironic shirt he was wearing. It just seems like we live in a culture of moral one-up-man-ship. Many insecure people have a paranoia about appearing immoral, and a desperate, neurotic, and narcissistic desire to appear as moral as possible. But what makes this so damaging is that a person's morality is no longer rated on how kindly or compassionate they are, but rather on how readily they criticize, chastize, and demonize people.
Poor guy.
I'm disgusted he felt the need to apologise. The people who should apologise are the social justice warriors who seem to get away with their bigotry.
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Original post by Snagprophet
I'm disgusted he felt the need to apologise. The people who should apologise are the social justice warriors who seem to get away with their bigotry.


He shouldn't have apologized, but in a way him breaking down did actually help the cause. It made the SJWs look like the bullies they are, and showed that he is, in fact, not Hitler.
I think there's a thread on this.

I still hate that he had to apologise after being involved in something like the Rosetta mission. I'd like to live in a society in which it would be obvious enough that everyone apart from the odd feminist lunatic would take his side that he could just tell them to deal with it and get on with his job without changing his clothing.
That was the most stupid feminist attack ever.

Making a good and successful person feel bad about himself will contribute to gender equality for sure -.-
I like his shirt.
Original post by KingBradly
You're probably right, but I find it hard not to be angered. I'm sick of being made to feel as if I'm the immoral one because I'm not bullying some guy to tears for an ironic shirt he was wearing. It just seems like we live in a culture of moral one-up-man-ship. Many insecure people have a paranoia about appearing immoral, and a desperate, neurotic, and narcissistic desire to appear as moral as possible. But what makes this so damaging is that a person's morality is no longer rated on how kindly or compassionate they are, but rather on how readily they criticize, chastize, and demonize people.


Puritan really is the most apt word for these people. I can really see them slaughtering Catholics and banning Christmas.

Taking highly moralising positions, even on behalf of the genuinely weak, is generally a sublimation of a need for power and control for sociopaths who have little natural conscience but through education have developed an intellectualised facsimile of one.

Still, they aren't cartoon villains: this impulse is present in probably every one of us here too: if you enjoy debating issues it is inherently a moralising act. I may be projecting, but I expect few of the accomplished debaters on this site are truly emotion/relationship/people-oriented types. As ever the difference is only a matter of degree and socialisation.
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It's sad that people have chosen to attack him for his wardrobe selection rather than congratulate him on his excellent work. Somehow something as insignificant as his shirt has marred and stained his reputation, when in fact he's done some amazing work that is far more deserving of attention. Perhaps it wasn't the best wardrobe choice in the world, but for people to make it the centerfold which overshadows his work is plain wrong. It's not hard to see why people are becoming more anti-feminist by the day when so many feminists are acting so viciously to put across their views.
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Original post by scrotgrot
Puritan really is the most apt word for these people. I can really see them slaughtering Catholics and banning Christmas.

Taking highly moralising positions, even on behalf of the genuinely weak, is generally a sublimation of a need for power and control for sociopaths who have little natural conscience but through education have developed an intellectualised facsimile of one.

Still, they aren't cartoon villains: this impulse is present in probably every one of us here too: if you enjoy debating issues it is inherently a moralising act. I may be projecting, but I expect few of the accomplished debaters on this site are truly emotion/relationship/people-oriented types. As ever the difference is only a matter of degree and socialisation.


Very true. But I do feel I can draw a distinction between my morality and there's. With my own morality, I try and think things all the way through. My ideas based on my own critical thinking. With these people, I feel they consider their morality as an accessory, something to be worn and shown off. They only half think things through, considering certain rhetoric to be fundamental and unquestionable. For instance, I bet half these people have never even looked up what 'objectification' actually means, and even fewer have questioned it and properly considered its significance.
Original post by KingBradly
Very true. But I do feel I can draw a distinction between my morality and there's. With my own morality, I try and think things all the way through. My ideas based on my own critical thinking. With these people, I feel they consider their morality as an accessory, something to be worn and shown off. They only half think things through, considering certain rhetoric to be fundamental and unquestionable. For instance, I bet half these people have never even looked up what 'objectification' actually means, and even fewer have questioned it and properly considered its significance.


Yeah sure everyone thinks that of themselves, I expected a response like that. It's how those with consciences justify authoritarian moralising views - not that I'm attacking yours personally.

I would say morality is always based on some combination of logic, dogma and wanting to impose control. An objective distinction can be made on how much critical thinking you do but it is pretty fuzzy I think. It's pretty easy to become radicalised.
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Original post by scrotgrot
Yeah sure everyone thinks that of themselves, I expected a response like that. It's how those with consciences justify authoritarian moralising views - not that I'm attacking yours personally.

I would say morality is always based on some combination of logic, dogma and wanting to impose control. An objective distinction can be made on how much critical thinking you do but it is pretty fuzzy I think. It's pretty easy to become radicalised.


But if I can't make a distinction between the way these people make conclusions and I do then it makes no sense for me to believe that I am right and they are wrong, and therefore all opinions are just as valid/invalid as each other. If you agree with me about this (which you seem to), and disagree with them, then you must believe there is some kind of malfunction in their way of thinking for them to have come to these conclusions.
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Original post by hellodave5
I like his shirt.


It's clearly supposed to be just a bit of ironic silly fun.
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Poor man, I genuinely feel irritated about this! A huge scientific achievement has been made, it has even been compared to the first moon landing and yet his contributions seem to be ignored. Instead he is being publicly humiliated about a something as trivial as this


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Original post by KingBradly
But if I can't make a distinction between the way these people make conclusions and I do then it makes no sense for me to believe that I am right and they are wrong, and therefore all opinions are just as valid/invalid as each other. If you agree with me about this (which you seem to), and disagree with them, then you must believe there is some kind of malfunction in their way of thinking for them to have come to these conclusions.


Well, that's the thing isn't it. Feeling you are right means you have to believe your logic is sound and theirs isn't because public debate is supposed to be built on rationality.

In times past, while there was still much room for rationality, we might say the terms of public debate were set by what God supposedly wanted. Hence the political movements of the time, even free-thinking ones, always justified their moral rectitude by appealing to straight-up divine inspiration; or if induction and critical thinking was used, it took scripture as its axioms and inducted down from that.

At that time, instead of saying "there is some kind of [logically irrational] malfunction in their way of thinking", you would probably have said "their thinking sounds like the devil's work".

And I don't think that was just privately hyper-rational free-thinkers tacking God on to make things palatable, I think it was an ingrained part of their mindset when approaching public debate in much the same way that rationality is part of ours today.

It's an interesting discussion though we are getting off topic - to make it clear I do agree with you on both the issue of the shirt and the objective superiority of a rationalist debate.
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Original post by scrotgrot
I would say morality is always based on some combination of logic, dogma and wanting to impose control.


That's hardly true. A system of morality can easily flout logic, especially in being derived via dogma. Morality can also be deeply personal and needn't include imposition.

It's a nice tripartite list of requirements you made up there, but it is contrived.

I also find talk of 'authoritarianism' hard to stomach. Sure, the people who criticised the scientist for his shirt are trying to be persuasive, but they are not enforcing their will via political might as an authoritarian would. It is convenient to brand your opposition with hyperbolic insults, but it is not sincere.

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