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Originally posted by reasonable man
I haven't read all the recent posts on this topic in depth but it seems we're going off at a tangent somewhat. The original question asked what makes a person homosexual. Bringing religion into the argument doesn't help answer the question.

Having said that, we must all be satisfied with the fact that neither science nor religion can give us answers to everything.

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the debate about homsexuality sort of came to a conclusion, i argued that it is not genetic and should not be compared to things such as race or colour, others argued that it is exactly the same thing and everyone expressed a viewpoint. somewhere along the line this thread has evolved into a talk about religon which is just as interesting.
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I don't disagree with you but having two simultaneous discussions on the same thread is becoming complicated. Wouldn't it be more sensible to start a new thread for the argument over the existence of a god and keep this one for the homosexuality debate? Just an idea...
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I don't disagree with you but having two simoultaneous discussions on the same thread is becoming complicated. Wouldn't it be more sensible to start a new thread for the argument over the existence of a god and keep this one for the homosexuality debate? Just an idea...
i suppose so but the people who have been following this thread from the start will feel a natural progression has been made towards the current topic. i have to say that this thread deserves a special rating because it has brought out a lot of different views and arguments which have been quite thought provoking.
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and guess who started the thread.
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Yet again you are missing the point.
From a philosophical point of view, there would be no point in the world being created if it was blatently obvious that there was a supreme being.
You seem to assume that there was a purpose/point to the creation of the world/universe. This is a pretty big assumption to make, and based on what exactly?

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However, there is enough evidence for people to understand the reason for living, and make up their own minds.
Please, show me one piece of evidence, which isn't purely circumstantial.

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Furthermore, blind following of science is a more subtle, but nonetheless, equally dangerous thing. These scientists, who have "uncovered" the underlying principles are those who have created the nuclear/ biological arms race.
That's nothing to do with a 'blind following of science' as you put it. We have not 'followed science' unquestioningly to the conclusion that we must kill each other with our scientific creations, have we? Nothing in science states this. The development of nuclear/biological weapons were human decisions and were (depending on your viewpoint) misuses of science. Misuse is just as prevelant where religion is concerned, for example the September 11th attacks were all orchestrated under the banner of religion.

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I'm not homophobic, but I don't think batty-boys should be allowed to bum each other. If they are gay then I think they should be celibate for their whole lives, they shouldn't be allowed to go round fudge packing other queers. It's just not right and it's unacceptable for society to have to deal with. Not only that but it spreads diseases such as HIV. Even Jesus condemned gay-lords...
But that said, I'm not homophobic and don't mind gays if they keep their gay thoughts to themselves and don't bum around. Thats all i'm saying, homosexual activity should be made illegal and then gays will have to refrain from bumming.
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I'm not homophobic
No, you're worse. You're stupid and your a homophobe. Your whole post is one big contradiction.

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but I don't think batty-boys should be allowed to bum each other.
I must say that your use of language really lets your obvious intellect shine. How is consensual sexual activity in private practised by homosexual couples going to affect you? It's not, so you're viewpoint is irrelevant.

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If they are gay then I think they should be celibate for their whole lives,
What if someone took a dislike to you practising heterosexual sex in your house? Does that give them the right to tell you that you should be celibate for you whole life as they don't like it? No of course it doesn't, so why do you seem to think it works the other way around?

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they shouldn't be allowed to go round fudge packing other queers.
Have you any reason to back up this statement, or is it just another one of your pointless and irrelevant opinions?

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Not only that but it spreads diseases such as HIV.
You may not have realised, but so does heterosexual sex.

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Even Jesus condemned gay-lords...
Well, I'm sure by now you know my views on religion.

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But that said, I'm not homophobic and don't mind gays if they keep their gay thoughts to themselves and don't bum around.Thats all i'm saying, homosexual activity should be made illegal and then gays will have to refrain from bumming.
I recommend you grow up, and fast.

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No, you're worse. You're stupid and your a homophobe. Your whole post is one big contradiction.
I'm just being honest, thats all! It doesn't make me homophobic! And anyway, i'm not homophobic, i've already said that already.

How is consensual sexual activity in private practised by homosexual couples going to affect you? It's not
It does affect me though! It continually affects everyone in society! Through the media etc. And the obscenity of homosexual activity portrayed on TV is getting more extreme everyday, and sometimes I have to see it on TV unexpectedly. For example, on this programme called "I love 1999" (at least I think that is what it was called) they showed an obscene clip from the series "Queer as Folk" where there was an older man and a teenager bumming each other.
Now, I wasn't expecting this and didn't have the opportunity to turn the channel over, so I was forced to see this image and I was quite disgusted by it. Imagine what these sorts of images would do to the minds of children if they saw it?
Not only that, but while i'm typing this there are probably thousands of benders bumming each other right now. And this thought leaves a bad taste in my mind. So it does affect me it affects society as a whole.

You may not have realised, but so does heterosexual sex.
I have realised, but this only because bum banditism created the disease in the first place and then bi-sexuals spread it all around the heterosexual population.
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I'm just being honest, thats all! It doesn't make me homophobic! And anyway, i'm not homophobic, i've already said that already.
But you are homophobic! The rest of your post proves that!

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It does affect me though! It continually affects everyone in society! Through the media etc. And the obscenity of homosexual activity portrayed on TV is getting more extreme everyday, and sometimes I have to see it on TV unexpectedly. For example, on this programme called "I love 1999" (at least I think that is what it was called) they showed an obscene clip from the series "Queer as Folk" where there was an older man and a teenager bumming each other.
Now, I wasn't expecting this and didn't have the opportunity to turn the channel over, so I was forced to see this image and I was quite disgusted by it. Imagine what these sorts of images would do to the minds of children if they saw it?
These images would be just as damaging to the child as heterosexual sex portrayed on screen. You're changing the subject now to the morality of showing sexual activity on screen and pornography, which is something which concerns both heterosexual and homosexual sexual activity, not just homosexual sex as you're trying to suggest.

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Not only that, but while i'm typing this there are probably thousands of benders bumming each other right now. And this thought leaves a bad taste in my mind. So it does affect me it affects society as a whole.
If you can't get the image of men having sex out of your mind, maybe you should reconsider what your sexuality really is.

Also, just because something affects you, does not mean it affects society as a whole, don't flatter yourself.

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I have realised, but this only because bum banditism created the disease in the first place and then bi-sexuals spread it all around the heterosexual population.
No, I'm afraid you'll find that the act of anal sex did not create HIV. HIV was according to most theories a disease of animals which was passed on to humans just as ebola mutated and was passed on to humans. It was (is) passed on by unprotected sex with a carrier, whether heterosexual or homosexual, not purely by bisexuals.

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I think this originated talking about homosexuality and how the bible etc. claim that it's a bad thing. Why should homosexuals have to listen to such narrow-minded drivel? I reiterate, I have nothing against people believing in whatever they want as long as they do not use their views to insult others.
But I'm afraid the bible DOES condemn gayness, Jesus told us that gayness was punishable by hell. A gay person who has engaged in buggery goes straight to hell when they die. Homosexual activity is seen by Christianity as demonic and the work of Satan. Gay people burn eternally in the lake of fire... I don't agree that gay people should be sent to hell, but thats just the way it is. It is the word of God.
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But I'm afraid the bible DOES condemn gayness, Jesus told us that gayness was punishable by hell. A gay person who has engaged in buggery goes straight to hell when they die. Homosexual activity is seen by Christianity as demonic and the work of Satan. Gay people burn eternally in the lake of fire... I don't agree that gay people should be sent to hell, but thats just the way it is. It is the word of God.
If you believe that, my friend, you'll believe anything.
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When you remove G-d from the equation, morals, if any become relative. Richard, blind faith is a Christian belief. I am afraid you are basing your experience of religion on Christianity, which does not constitute all worldly religions.

You claim that belief in an omnipotent being is irrational, yet you seem to have "blind faith" in the virtue of logic. Whoever said that logic was true and right and good? Whoever said logic and Science had all the answers? Do not try to tell me an act of kindness to another human is "logical" or needed as part of some intricate system where everything is driven by rules and Science.

As for the topic of homosexuals, most religions condemn the homosexual act. It is not someone's fault if they have feelings that they cannot control. However, these feelings, once manifested in the realm of action, become that person's complete responsibility and he is held accountable for his actions. Homosexuality is a challenge to a person who experiences these tendencies. Unfortunately, the western world is the culture of the "I", and anything "I" want to do becomes the "right" thing to do. Since there is no objective moral scale, sexual acts that ultimately degrade society, are permitted because they "don't harm anyone else". The fact is they do, HIV, breakdown of family life, collapse of community can all be attributed to moral breakdown, which includes amongst many factors, open acceptance of active homsexuality. I'm not saying homosexuality is the root of all evil, but it is a contributing factor to the corrupt and degenerate society we unfortunately find ourselves in. There is a lot of good in society, don't get me wrong, but people seem to have no ultimate, higher purpose in life, which unfortunately, breeds all kinds of problems.

Richard, you seem like an intelligent guy. Consider the virtues of what you have been believing in before you criticize/ denigrate other systems of thinking/belief.

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If you believe that, my friend, you'll believe anything.
How do you know this isn't what happens, are you God? You could only know for sure if you were God? It is the word of God the gospel truth and thats how it is unforunately. This is the Christian word and I've heard Christians talk about it (you know them ones that sometimes preach on the street in city-centres). Are you challenging the Bible? These words are about 2000 years old so how do you know it isn't the truth? I've heard them Christian types talk about homosexuality in this way. How do you know it isn't true?
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If you can't get the image of men having sex out of your mind, maybe you should reconsider what your sexuality really is.
I didn't say I couldn't get the image of men having sex out of my mind, I merely said that the thought of thousands of batty-boys bumming each other as I type this LEAVES a bad taste in my mind. And I don't need to consider my sexuality.
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You seem to assume that there was a purpose/point to the creation of the world/universe. This is a pretty big assumption to make, and based on what exactly?
I know you don't. It was quite hard to word.



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Please, show me one piece of evidence, which isn't purely circumstantial.
The bible.
You can say it is circumstancial, but you will be wrong.
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I'm not homophobic, but I don't think batty-boys should be allowed to bum each other. If they are gay then I think they should be celibate for their whole lives, they shouldn't be allowed to go round fudge packing other queers. It's just not right and it's unacceptable for society to have to deal with. Not only that but it spreads diseases such as HIV. Even Jesus condemned gay-lords...
But that said, I'm not homophobic and don't mind gays if they keep their gay thoughts to themselves and don't bum around. Thats all i'm saying, homosexual activity should be made illegal and then gays will have to refrain from bumming.
Richard, this guy is just being facetious. Saying what he says purely for the attention -- something of which he probably doesn't get much.
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I'm not homophobic, but I don't think batty-boys should be allowed to bum each other. If they are gay then I think they should be celibate for their whole lives, they shouldn't be allowed to go round fudge packing other queers. It's just not right and it's unacceptable for society to have to deal with. Not only that but it spreads diseases such as HIV. Even Jesus condemned gay-lords...
But that said, I'm not homophobic and don't mind gays if they keep their gay thoughts to themselves and don't bum around. Thats all i'm saying, homosexual activity should be made illegal and then gays will have to refrain from bumming.
even if you personally believe that all gays are evil and should burn in hell and feel you must let everyone else know, can you not find a more sosphisticated manner of expressing this? by using words like "bender" and "bum each other" you instantly devalue your argument, even if it didn't have much value in the first place. i felt strongly that homosexuality should not be compared to race but i did not continually use such a low level of speech. if you want to have a serious attempt at making a case for your viewpoint, then do so. if you just want to type a load of rubbish because you really have nothing better to do, just go away and find something worthwhile to do.
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havent you seen south park the movie. Gayness is the satanic representation of [email protected]
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I'm not homophobic, but I don't think batty-boys should be allowed to bum each other. If they are gay then I think they should be celibate for their whole lives, they shouldn't be allowed to go round fudge packing other queers. It's just not right and it's unacceptable for society to have to deal with. Not only that but it spreads diseases such as HIV. Even Jesus condemned gay-lords...
But that said, I'm not homophobic and don't mind gays if they keep their gay thoughts to themselves and don't bum around. Thats all i'm saying, homosexual activity should be made illegal and then gays will have to refrain from bumming.
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havent you seen south park the movie. Gayness is the satanic representation of [email protected]
EVEN MORE!!!!
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