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    Hello everyone,

    Exciting news! Our development team are currently working on the beta version of the new TSR recognition system.

    This has been designed initially following discussion with members and our mod team via surveys, threads and a combination of 1-2-1 conversations with members and face-to-face time with mods.

    More recently we have tested a most helpful/unanswered thread competition and a most popular competition. The feedback you have been provided has been invaluable and has strongly suggested that the direction of your new recognition system is the right one.

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    Nice that TSR is recognising helpfulness, but is there a way that recognition could go on someone's profile or user banner? That way people could know who's answers were well regarded/likely to be accurate and helpful. Drewski
    This seems to be a scheme to decrease the number of unanswered threads rather than to reward helpful posters. Snufkin
    My suggestion is that you be able to give post a rating based on different attributes. One of them is helpfulness.
    People get badges depending on how funny, helpful or whatever points they accumulate. keromedic
    This is my opinion and you should probably completely ignore it but maybe members should be voted on how helpful they are, some especially in the chem and maths parts of this forum are very helpful, spending hours of their day working out 1 question and explaining it patiently through many comments and will probably get nothing from it but a thank you, if they are lucky lol. They go unrecognised. Maybe these guys deserve it more than those who just post a lot. TheNoobishKnight


    I'll say straight up that this OP may, for some of you, become a TL;DR (too long, didn't read ) but I think it's important to share as much information with you as possible at this stage because it is such a big piece of development.

    I want you to know that this is a "beta" rollout, it's by no means the finished product. We wanted to share the plans initially and then together we can shape it.

    So here goes TSR!

    For a long time we have been discussing the options around having a badge system. The ultimate objective of this is to help the community better identify, recognise, endorse and commend our members that helpfully contribute on TSR. We plan to have an array of badges that do this across the board, for different forums, and to celebrate what members have to offer - you are all unique and bring something different to TSR.

    We have three badges in development currently which we plan to roll out before Christmas. Each with three levels, the number of levels will continue to evolve over the coming months.


    1. Unanswered threads
    2. Study Help
    3. Number of posts


    The initial badge for each one is designed to be easy, then it will become incrementally harder to reach the next level. Again if you think level 2 and 3 are too tricky just let me know or too easy. The badge levels can then continue to increase as achieve more/ post more i.e. level 4, 5, 6......... 25..... 80.

    1. Unanswered threads

    Based on the number of unanswered threads (threads must be at least 12 hours old)

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    5 - 49 replies to ANY unanswered thread - Badge 1
    50 - 99 replies to unanswered threads that receive a rep from the OP ONLY - Badge 2
    100 + replies to unanswered threads that receive a rep from the OP ONLY - Badge 3

    Currently a new member may have 0 rep power, within this system this will no longer matter and the rep given will count towards the unanswered thread badge.

    Potential badge name: Hero


    2. Study Help

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    This badge will be based on the total number of posts made in the study help forum that have received rep.


    50 - 249 study help forum posts with rep - Badge 1
    250 - 499 study help forum posts with rep - Badge 2
    500+ study help forum posts with rep - Badge 3




    Currently a new member may have 0 rep power, within this system this will no longer matter and the rep given will count towards the unanswered thread badge.


    3. Posting badge

    Based on the number of posts made across all of TSR except for forum games.

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    25 - 99 total posts made - Badge 1
    100 - 499 total posts bade - Badge 2
    500 + posts - Badge 3


    Potential badge name: Chatterbox



    Roll out

    Each member will have a cabinet tab on their profile page.

    There will be a new notification that will confirm you have been awarded a badge.

    We will have a new page which provides information on our badges. In the future we will look to develop something along the lines of this: http://askubuntu.com/help/badges and http://stackoverflow.com/help/badges

    After the go-live the first "criteria check" will occur per user. This will only happen once the member has made a post (unfortunately the unanswered thread and study help badge cannot be backdated)

    An image relating to badges in their post user information will be displayed on threads.




    FAQs

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    Q: So are the badges based on posts or reps for the posts?
    A: They have different criteria

    So Chatterbox is low for level three but it also makes it easier to get and then we'll increase it to 800 for level 4 if we are agreed this is sensible. Ultimately it will mean that initially a lot of members will have earned a badge already.

    Some of the badges will be based on posts, some on rep... there is also a Pied Piper badge in the pipeline which is based on the most followed member of the month. And a centurion badge for members that create threads which have over 100 posts in them.

    Q: Why did you choose those badges to roll out first?
    A: We felt that initially these would support the community a balanced way in terms of getting everyone involved, playing a role in actively helping other members, as well as just choosing to post and just have a chat.

    Q: Excellent advice is given in money and finance, why don't they have a badge?
    A: It's only SH for now. In the future a similar badge can be introduced to money and finance if the community are agreed that this would be helpful. It could be a yellow badge with pound sign instead for example. So we know then that yellow means that a member is "helpful". Another example would be to have a yellow badge in health and relationships but they could have a heart logo and it could be the agony aunt badge for helpful members that are repped for their supportive contribution etc.

    Q: What will happen to our rep?
    A: Rep will remain. so if you are repped in other parts of the site where a badge doesn't apply it will just go towards your general rep count

    Q: Why haven't you chosen to launch more badges during this initial phase?
    A: Because we would like the community to identify the next set of badges to go into development. During this first phase we'll be testing the functionality and the criteria we have agreed. From a community point of view it's about identifying what's working, what isn't and now we have a platform, what do you want to get out of your community's recognition system. From our point of view (the CT) this is something that should be "owned" by you as members and invested in and developed by TSR HQ.

    Q: The university forums are key to TSR, why isn't their a badge that recognises this yet?
    A: One that immediately springs to mind is "applications adviser" - based on the excellent advice posted in applications and UCAS and the supporting subject and courses forums.

    Q: Will some users try to "game" the system
    A: There is always potential for this in any game situation but for those badges that can only be awarded through rep and sometimes via only the OP this will make it harder.

    Q: Some members don't know to give rep, or even say thank you, this is going to make it harder to earn badges.

    A: The culture of "rep" will gently change via this system of recognition and this is something we will have to make sure we communicate alongside the launch and in the coming months. We are also planning a new TSR Help Centre style hub, which we hope will help our newer members and reassuringly introduce them to the ways of TSR.

    Q: Using badges to identify helpful members - what does this mean?
    Members will be able to view other member's cabinets and see what badges they have.

    This system also has the potential to be able to identify members that could become part of Team TSR - i.e. community assistants/ moderators etc. If certain members are being regularly endorsed through rep for badges in certain sections of the site then arguably it makes sense to ask them to join the team - the community has spoken.



    So what will the badges look like?

    Here is a preview of the first phase.




    The badge cabinet on a member's profile.




    Badge count on a member's user information on a thread - kindly modelled by the bear.





    And on mobile pages - check out FKLW:




    Questions for you TSR


    1. Please post in the poll and let us know whether you would like to call your recognition system - Badges, shields or something else (post here a new name).
    2. Your thoughts on phase one
    3. If you don't like the current badge names, what would you prefer them to be called?
    4. How you would like this system to be developed in the future
    5. Any ideas for forum specific badges
    6. Anything else that comes to mind.......




    Thanks alot for taking the time to read this and looking forward to building this together with you.

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    If someone gets banned they should have a 'Ugly Troll' badge added to their profile.
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    Have to say that I am glad that this has finally been put into beta roll out mode :awesome:
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    Really excited to see it coming together. I thought it was a great idea, though I'm torn about how kiddy badges sounds. Shields hopefully makes it sound bit less cringey.


    It'll be nice now that someone with +10 gems from chat forum can't post in Religion or Study Help and carry the same weight. Will the shields/badges be shown in forum threads by user names? :awesome:
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    I cannot see the point of this.
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    Can we have a badge of shame for certain posters on chat who repeatedly post spam or nonsense, or give out bad advice. Can we also have a badge based on post count per day?
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    What about miserable old people like me who don't want to have "chatterbox" or "clever clogs" added onto their profile once this is eventually rolled out throughout the site? Whilst I'm sure a lot of hard work went into this, it does sound a bit like something you'd see on CBeebies instead of a forum aimed at students of all ages.

    Can't you just bring back the pre-2010 rep system instead? Pretty please? :flutter:
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    What about miserable old people like me who don't want to have "chatterbox" or "clever clogs" added onto their profile once this is eventually rolled out throughout the site? Whilst I'm sure a lot of hard work went into this, it does sound a bit like something you'd see on CBeebies instead of a forum aimed at students of all ages.

    Can't you just bring back the pre-2010 rep system instead? Pretty please? :flutter:
    An opt-out option like how you can have your current rep hidden?
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    On the postbit example is it possible to show a relevant shield on postbits of posts made in those areas. So SH badges show on SH posts.

    Otherwise I don't see how this helps to flag helpful members posts.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    What about miserable old people like me who don't want to have "chatterbox" or "clever clogs" added onto their profile once this is eventually rolled out throughout the site? Whilst I'm sure a lot of hard work went into this, it does sound a bit like something you'd see on CBeebies instead of a forum aimed at students of all ages.

    Can't you just bring back the pre-2010 rep system instead? Pretty please? :flutter:
    I know some of the names of badges will be a bit like marmite - which is why I've asked if you all have any other suggestions. Some members will like those names, others really won't so it's about getting a balance.

    Is there a way that you think we could possibly incorporate that old system into the new one?



    (Original post by NerdyMeg)
    Awesome!
    Glad you think so NerdyMeg

    (Original post by Evening)
    If someone gets banned they should have a 'Ugly Troll' badge added to their profile.
    Or maybe we should take the moral high ground and just ignore

    (Original post by Slowbro93)
    Have to say that I am glad that this has finally been put into beta roll out mode :awesome:
    Me too! Let me know if you have any suggestions.

    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    Really excited to see it coming together. I thought it was a great idea, though I'm torn about how kiddy badges sounds. Shields hopefully makes it sound bit less cringey.


    It'll be nice now that someone with +10 gems from chat forum can't post in Religion or Study Help and carry the same weight. Will the shields/badges be shown in forum threads by user names? :awesome:
    Only the badge icon will show with the number beside it for now, members will be able to click on it and will be taken to the profile, you'll then be able to view the cabinet

    (Original post by Birkenhead)
    I cannot see the point of this.
    It's not going to float everyone's boat, but if you do have any suggestions just let me know.

    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Can we have a badge of shame for certain posters on chat who repeatedly post spam or nonsense, or give out bad advice. Can we also have a badge based on post count per day?
    What would the badges based on post count per day achieve?
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    (Original post by She-Ra)


    What would the badges based on post count per day achieve?
    Badges are pretty pointless anyway, especially if half of TSR will hate having them. You may as well go all out and use them as a punishment as well as a reward.
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    (Original post by She-Ra)
    Only the badge icon will show with the number beside it for now, members will be able to click on it and will be taken to the profile, you'll then be able to view the cabinet


    Whilst I still think this is a great idea, throwing it in that one day I hope it shows badges along the username for that section by default so that when someone with the level 3 shield for maths posts in English forums for one like study help people know they're not a specialist.
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    SHIELDS. Please call them shields. Can we have swords and bows and arrows and crossbows and axes and staffs too? :gah:

    (Original post by Slowbro93)
    An opt-out option like how you can have your current rep hidden?
    Only subs can hide their rep.
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    This sounds like merits we used to get in Year 7.

    I do not wish to be labelled anything without my permission
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    (Original post by She-Ra)
    Or maybe we should take the moral high ground and just ignore
    Or maybe we should have a badge which says 'Ugly Troll'.
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    I dislike the look of the badges, they are too big and seem a bit childish. I'm also not very keen on badges appearing in profiles. I would much rather have small individual badges that appear in the user's information area. I also think you should limit the number badges, having 5 badges that are very hard to achieve would be preferable to having 20+ badges. When I first read the badges idea I was hoping for something reminiscent of the Star Trek ranking pins, simple and elegant!

    I am sure you know my views on rewarding people who answer unanswered threads by now. It is not a good idea and it will backfire sooner or later. Unless you are going to continuously monitor the replies to these threads then you will end up with a ton of people spamming and posting irreverent and pre-scripted rubbish just to get the badge.

    I am not sure that separating the study help forum from universities is a good idea either, it seems to me that a helpful poster would do the same thing in both. In my experience, new users do not often rep people who have their questions answered so it seems unfair to only count posts which have been repped. You say the culture of rep giving will change over time, but I think that is unlikely.

    Oh that was a bit of a negative post, woops. :getmecoat:
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    (Original post by Baby Milo)
    I suggest removing the current reputation system and adding badges at the bottom of each post. If someone gets 5 x Most Helpful from 10 members then they get 1 x Most Helpful badge added onto their profile. Five or more people found it helpful so they've had that added onto their profile as recognition. If someone gets 10 x Uninformative or 10 x WUM then the mods look into that and if they think that's a fair assessment they then add 1 x Uninformative to that users profile. If a user has more negative type of badges then their name is red. If a user has more positive type of badges then their name is green.

    Makes it very easy to identify those who are posting crap on the forum and also the added layer of the mods having control (could even have mods dedicated to badges etc.) means even if the negative badges are spammed people won't be incorrectly labelled on their profile as the mod will have the final say.
    am trying to think of a cool name for these mods...

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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I dislike the look of the badges, they are too big and seem a bit childish. I'm also not very keen on badges appearing in profiles. I would much rather have small individual badges that appear in the user's information area. I also think you should limit the number badges, having 5 badges that are very hard to achieve would be preferable to having 20+ badges. When I first read the badges idea I was hoping for something reminiscent of the Star Trek ranking pins, simple and elegant!

    I am sure you know my views on rewarding people who answer unanswered threads by now. It is not a good idea and it will backfire sooner or later. Unless you are going to continuously monitor the replies to these threads then you will end up with a ton of people spamming and posting irreverent and pre-scripted rubbish just to get the badge.

    I am not sure that separating the study help forum from universities is a good idea either, it seems to me that a helpful poster would do the same thing in both. In my experience, new users do not often rep people who have their questions answered so it seems unfair to only count posts which have been repped. You say the culture of rep giving will change over time, but I think that is unlikely.

    Oh that was a bit of a negative post, woops. :getmecoat:
    Why do you bother?

    This is just another in the long line of badly thought out developments trying to remedy a problem that didn't really exist.

    No matter how badly this goes down it will be hailed as an unqualified success.
 
 
 
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