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Reply 1

That looks like your describing the test for the presence of chloride ions, but I can't see chloride in your formula. What is it you're adding to the silver nitrate?

Reply 2

it seems to me that the first white ppt is [Ag(H2O)2]+, and this ppt use up all the Ag ions. so when u adding excess ammonia, it is Co that reacts...so get [Co(NH3)6]2+ in the solution.... well dont know if i'm correct, is this an exam question??

Reply 3

Toto
it seems to me that the first white ppt is [Ag(H2O)2]+, and this ppt use up all the Ag ions. so when u adding excess ammonia, it is Co that reacts...so get [Co(NH3)6]2+ in the solution.... well dont know if i'm correct, is this an exam question??


yes it's an exam question! :frown: ok well i think i'll go with your suggestion then because it has totally confused me :confused:

p.s. what's the formula for aqeous silver nitrate? is it [Ag(NO3)(H20)5]+ or something??

And um how did you know that [Ag(H20)2]+ is a white precipitate?

Reply 4

Maisy
yes it's an exam question! :frown: ok well i think i'll go with your suggestion then because it has totally confused me :confused:

p.s. what's the formula for aqeous silver nitrate? is it [Ag(NO3)(H20)5]+ or something??

And um how did you know that [Ag(H20)2]+ is a white precipitate?

how can [Ag(H20)2]+ be a ppt? because if its charged then surely its in aqueous solution?

Reply 5

IntegralAnomaly
how can [Ag(H20)2]+ be a ppt? because if its charged then surely its in aqueous solution?


any idea what the white precipitate is then? :smile:

Reply 6

Maisy
If you add [Co(H2O)6]2+ (aq) with aqeous silver nitrate apparently a white precipitate is formed which dissolves when an excess of dilute aqeous ammonia is added to form a solution containing a metal complex ion (is this [Ag(NH3)2]+ ?) ..what is the white precipitate? Is it AgNO(3) ? How does the formula work? Please help :frown: Thank you :biggrin: :biggrin:

is it [Co(H2O)6]2+ or [Co(H20)6]Cl2,i.e whats the anion in the soultion?
Because the white ppt sounds like silver chloride,which is soluble in excess ammonia

Reply 7

Maisy
any idea what the white precipitate is then? :smile:

Is this a qu?If it is then can u give the exact question

Reply 8

IntegralAnomaly
Is this a qu?If it is then can u give the exact question


A crystalline solid A dissolves in water to give a solution containing the metal complex ion B.

Addition of aqeous silver nitrate to this solution gives a white precipitate of C which dissolves when an excess of dilute aqueous ammonia is added to form a soln containing the metal complex ion D.

The solution of A becomes a blue soln containing metal complex ion E when an excess of conc HCl acid is added.

When conc aqueous ammonia is added dropwise to a soln of A, a blue-green ppt F forms. This then dissolves when an excess of ammonia is added to form a pale brown soln containing the metal complex ion G. This pale brown soln becomes dark brown on standing on air and a soln containing the metal complex H is formed.

Ok, well I get
A- CoCl(2)
B- [Co(H20)6]2+
C-AgNO(3) ...?
D-[Ag(NH3)2]+ ...?
E-[CoCl(4)]2-
F-Co(H2O)(4)(OH)(2)
G-[Co(NH3)6]2+
H-[Co(NH3)6]3+

I *think* A-H are correct but I'm not sure about C & D??

Reply 9

Maisy
A crystalline solid A dissolves in water to give a solution containing the metal complex ion B.

Addition of aqeous silver nitrate to this solution gives a white precipitate of C which dissolves when an excess of dilute aqueous ammonia is added to form a soln containing the metal complex ion D.

The solution of A becomes a blue soln containing metal complex ion E when an excess of conc HCl acid is added.

When conc aqueous ammonia is added dropwise to a soln of A, a blue-green ppt F forms. This then dissolves when an excess of ammonia is added to form a pale brown soln containing the metal complex ion G. This pale brown soln becomes dark brown on standing on air and a soln containing the metal complex H is formed.

Ok, well I get
A- CoCl(2)
B- [Co(H20)6]2+
C-AgNO(3) ...?
D-[Ag(NH3)2]+ ...?
E-[CoCl(4)]2-
F-Co(H2O)(4)(OH)(2)
G-[Co(NH3)6]2+
H-[Co(NH3)6]3+

I *think* A-H are correct but I'm not sure about C & D??

Its definitely cobalt because of blue-green ppt with NH3 and brown with excess NH3.
I agree with ur A and B,but i think C is AgCl.i Agree with ur D,E,F and G.
I not sure about H though...

Reply 10

Maisy

H-[Co(NH3)6]3+

I *think* A-H are correct but I'm not sure about C & D??

Yes i think thats H actually,because Co 3 plus ions are more stable than cobalt 2

Reply 11

IntegralAnomaly
Its definitely cobalt because of blue-green ppt with NH3 and brown with excess NH3.
I agree with ur A and B,but i think C is AgCl.i Agree with ur D,E,F and G.
I not sure about H though...


Ok thanks :smile: So are you saying the Cl from CoCl(2) form with Ag+ ..but then what happens to the NO(3) from AgNO(3)?

Reply 12

Maisy
Ok thanks :smile: So are you saying the Cl from CoCl(2) form with Ag+ ..but then what happens to the NO(3) from AgNO(3)?

I guess its just a spectator ion.

Reply 13

IntegralAnomaly
I guess its just a spectator ion.

Ok thanks :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
By the way is AgCl on the chem syllabus anywhere? (i'm on AQA) How did you know it was white? Cheers :cool:

Reply 14

Maisy
Ok thanks :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
By the way is AgCl on the chem syllabus anywhere? (i'm on AQA) How did you know it was white? Cheers :cool:

Im on edexcel,and silver halides come up throughout the course.

Reply 15

what level of chem is all this? i hope it aint as coz if it is im in deep shit!

Reply 16

Maisy
If you add [Co(H2O)6]2+ (aq) with aqeous silver nitrate apparently a white precipitate is formed which dissolves when an excess of dilute aqeous ammonia is added to form a solution containing a metal complex ion (is this [Ag(NH3)2]+ ?) ..what is the white precipitate? Is it AgNO(3) ? How does the formula work? Please help :frown: Thank you :biggrin: :biggrin:



Hi

ok first off i have NEVER seen a silver in a complex

the white precipitate: Co (NO3)2 (s)

[Co(NH3)4 ] 2+

cobolt is more likely cos it is a d block element!!!!!!!!!

Reply 17

silver is a d block element too.

Reply 18

DazzYa6
Hi

ok first off i have NEVER seen a silver in a complex

the white precipitate: Co (NO3)2 (s)

[Co(NH3)4 ] 2+

cobolt is more likely cos it is a d block element!!!!!!!!!

of course there are silver complexes,like the ammine complex.

Reply 19

It definitely contains chloride ions, and the white ppt is AgCl.