Feminism has gone too far now

edit: wasn't funny, just realised what I said about my mum :frown:

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 3

Blazar

I don't know what on earth makes you think this is to do with feminism, which is the promotion of gender equality. This issue is to do with bodily autonomy. I personally think that the mother should have been prosecuted, not for injuring the foetus per se (as a foetus in its early stages isn't a human being any more than a skin cell is a human being), but for allowing the injured foetus to develop and giving birth to a severely affected child.

Reply 4

Snagprophet

17

This title reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KseqzmcqQBQ

Reply 5

Copperknickers

OP

15

Original post by Blazar

I don't know what on earth makes you think this is to do with feminism, which is the promotion of gender equality. This issue is to do with bodily autonomy. I personally think that the mother should have been prosecuted, not for injuring the foetus per se (as a foetus in its early stages isn't a human being any more than a skin cell is a human being), but for allowing the injured foetus to develop and giving birth to a severely affected child.

It's clearly a product of the pro-choice movement, the movement which claims that women should be treated exactly the same as men. This ignores the small problem that men and women are not the same, because men don't grow people inside them, so allowing a man freedom over his own body is not the same as allowing a woman freedom over her own body.

And depending on the period of pregnancy, a foetus can a highly developed animal, about the level of a lizard or a bird, and it is going to become a human, so it's a lot more than a 'skin cell'.

Reply 6

Not really about feminism is it though? She didn't argue that it was her right as a woman to grossly abuse her unborn child in this manner did she? I think you are getting confused about what feminists want which is equality not special treatment. Don't insult the poor child at the centre of this by trying to claim their pain for your own agenda

The 'mother' (and I am loathe to use the term because she clearly has no maternal instincts) should be doing some serious jail time

Reply 7

Smash Bandicoot

Original post by Mimsycrafts

Not really about feminism is it though? She didn't argue that it was her right as a woman to grossly abuse her unborn child in this manner did she? I think you are getting confused about what feminists want which is equality not special treatment. Don't insult the poor child at the centre of this by trying to claim their pain for your own agenda

The 'mother' (and I am loathe to use the term because she clearly has no maternal instincts) should be doing some serious jail time

er, I think she did, hence the appeal, hence verdict pro-mother-which is about feminism, because it shows the government are afraid to make repercussions which will make them look like misogynists (i.e. berate an irresponsible mother for her behaviour which will be construed by the radfems as patriarchal oppression into the 'angel in the house' pedestal role).

She 'should be', but she isn't. Why is that?

If feminism truly wants gender equality, it will now support the child, not the mother. Actively. On the news.

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lucaf

13

While I agree this woman should ne seeing some serious jail time, wasnt the decision because they didn't want to set a precedent that could result in women getting sued who didn't know they were pregnant or who suffered side effects from medication?

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Original post by Smash Bandicoot

er, I think she did, hence the appeal, hence verdict pro-mother-which is about feminism, because it shows the government are afraid to make repercussions which will make them look like misogynists (i.e. berate an irresponsible mother for her behaviour which will be construed by the radfems as patriarchal oppression into the 'angel in the house' pedestal role).

She 'should be', but she isn't. Why is that?

If feminism truly wants gender equality, it will now support the child, not the mother. Actively. On the news.

Have you read the article. It is local government that is berating this woman and taking her to court. No one is portraying this woman as a fallen angel. As the Law currently stands they cant prosecute its the law that is wrong. If you don't agree with that start the revolution and get the law changed and to an extent you will find support as long as it isn't a woman bashing proposal. Laws are absolute and there for a reason and until you get a numbskull who behaves like this woman you cant find and close all the loopholes. But this is a loophole that must be closed.

My belief: It is a womans choice to choose whether to continue a pregnancy BUT at the point you make that active decision to continue with a pregnancy you are forgoing you right to drink, drugs and reckless behavior and failure to behave accordingly will result in jail and the like. You propose a law that puts that in motion and I will be behind you ten thousand per cent.

Maybe mothers to be should sign something at a point that says they now believe their unborn child to be a child and not a foetus.

Reply 10

Original post by Blazar

(as a foetus in its early stages isn't a human being any more than a skin cell is a human being)

So when does it become human?

Reply 11

Original post by BitWindy

So when does it become human?

I think peoples personal beliefs vary on that one but from the sounds of it the law dictates the foetus becomes a human being at the point of birth but Im no law expert so please if anyone knows different please correct me

Reply 12

I think a big obstacle is the practicality and consequence of possible punishments.

Would things really be better for the child if its mother was fined or imprisoned? That has the potential to make the child's situation even worse, which I think many of us would agree to be counterproductive.

Perhaps it would be better to remove the child from her ownership and then do these things, but that raises further questions regarding the child's future in the fostering/adoption system.

Reply 13

Smash Bandicoot

Original post by Mimsycrafts

Have you read the article. It is local government that is berating this woman and taking her to court. No one is portraying this woman as a fallen angel. As the Law currently stands they cant prosecute its the law that is wrong. If you don't agree with that start the revolution and get the law changed and to an extent you will find support as long as it isn't a woman bashing proposal. Laws are absolute and there for a reason and until you get a numbskull who behaves like this woman you cant find and close all the loopholes. But this is a loophole that must be closed.

My belief: It is a womans choice to choose whether to continue a pregnancy BUT at the point you make that active decision to continue with a pregnancy you are forgoing you right to drink, drugs and reckless behavior and failure to behave accordingly will result in jail and the like. You propose a law that puts that in motion and I will be behind you ten thousand per cent.

Maybe mothers to be should sign something at a point that says they now believe their unborn child to be a child and not a foetus.

Yes!

Reply 14

alexschmalex

19

Yeah this isn't exactly a feminist issue (for once) but it just shows how messed up society is becoming as a whole. The real problem is that we live in a system of zero accountability for our actions and the effects that they have on others and too many people think it's ok. People feel that they are above reproach and that they don't need to take responsibility. This case though pisses me off especially, to do that to your own child is and should be recognized as extreme child abuse

Reply 15

Original post by Mimsycrafts

I think peoples personal beliefs vary on that one

That's no reason to avoid backing up an assertion.

Original post by Mimsycrafts

but from the sounds of it the law dictates the foetus becomes a human being at the point of birth but Im no law expert so please if anyone knows different please correct me

Not sure, but abortion is legal up to 24 weeks without other complications.

Reply 16

Radicalathiest

'BBC News legal correspondent Clive Coleman said the case was significant because it centred on whether or not a foetus was considered a person, independent of its mother.'

this is the nub of the issue

the right decision has been made.

Reply 17

Original post by BitWindy

That's no reason to avoid backing up an assertion.

Not sure, but abortion is legal up to 24 weeks without other complications.

Well ive already put my beliefs in a previous post but I believe a foetus becomes a human being when its mother chooses to continue with the pregnancy.

Reply 18

Original post by Mimsycrafts

I believe a foetus becomes a human being when its mother chooses to continue with the pregnancy.

On what grounds?

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