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    (Original post by cactusboi)
    im off to bournemouth this september for computer animation arts. what would be some good things to do before i go?
    I asked this exact question at my interview, and he told me to practice life drawing and getting the perspective and form correct. But I suppose it also depends what sort of background you're coming from, as you're doing the arts stream, you may want to take a look at some maths, maybe some basic trigonometry and vectors would put you in a good position for the first year.
    I wouldn't worry too much about learning maya or programming before you get there, if you wanted to look at some basic programming, we learn Python and C++ but they do start at the very beginning for both of them, as well as the 3D software.

    (Original post by animator21)
    I applied for 3D Animation and Visualization at BU last year. I got in but couldn't go because of money problems. Now lets say I take a gap year (2010) and apply for BU same course, for 2011. Will I have to retake math and other exam? If yes, will they send 'me' the questions? Last year, they sent my school coordinator the paper and he took exam on their behalf. How would it be if I am in no school (gap year)? Any idea?
    It depends how you rejected their offer I would assume, if you deferred then they would have kept your place on for another year and you would be able to go without any problems whatsoever. However from what I gather it's been two years since you last applied, this would have been between the course changing. They will probably ask you to re-apply as I think that the entrance criteria have changed as well for the different entries. You're best bet is to email the university, you could try [email protected] and see what they would suggest.


    (Original post by MegaLeon)
    Hi all
    I received an offer for computer visualization and animation, and I would like to ask how balanced are computing and art sessions. I heard the course are Bournemouth are quite technical. Are there life drawing and perspective classes?
    Yep, and we have 2 hours of life drawing a week where we had to present one set of drawings at Christmas and another at Easter, with a few of our own included.
    We also had cinematography lessons to teach us about the camera and how to use it etc. for 2 hours a week.

    In my honest opinion yes there is a lot of technical compared to some courses, but the worth of it far out weighs the cons of it. I came into the course as a more technical person, and I feel that up until this term because we've been focusing on pre-production the majority of it has been artistic based in our projects, such as character design, life drawing, storyboarding etc.
    This is a benefit to anyone that does it, and then when you come to do the more technical areas such as maths and programming, you will have already done lots of art, and there will always be people around that will be able to help you should you be finding the technical side hard.
    And then if you decide that's not your cup of tea, at the end of the first year since it's the same for both the Visualisation and Arts stream of the course, you will most likely get offered the choice to switch to the Computer Animation Arts where there is no maths and very little programming beyond a few easy scripts.

    If you want any more help don't hesitate to ask.

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    (Original post by Deadfish41)
    well put abbie! the first years still do the same cinematography and programming assignment we had to do.. but now there are only 2 exams in the first year being, Maths and programming.
    Thanks! Thought i'd have a little bit of TSR procrastination!
    Oh i didnt know that about the exams, no PCS! Not fair!
    Dan, i just went back and looked through our posts before we started the course. I love it that i referred to Ian as the "rastafarian" man! Hahaha!
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    Wozzie, can you give your email?

    We'll talk better
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    (Original post by Art Nerd)
    Thanks! Thought i'd have a little bit of TSR procrastination!
    Oh i didnt know that about the exams, no PCS! Not fair!
    Dan, i just went back and looked through our posts before we started the course. I love it that i referred to Ian as the "rastafarian" man! Hahaha!
    hahaha lol well im not surprised, him and his long hair and all!

    I had phil for my interview and all i remember was him being really unimpressed. so for me, he was known as the grumpy guy lol its pretty good that we've managed to survive the 3 years.. almost

    to everyone else, the BACVA course at Bournemouth is really tough and is definitely not a walk a park. As im sure this is relevant for anyone applying to Hertfordshire/Teesside too, any CG course is demanding and requires a lot of dedication.


    and yeah they dont have a PCS (principles of computer systems) exam anymore! how annoying is that!! apparently its just a preperation unit for OST (operation system techniques)... The new first years are fairly lucky i say! PCS and OST were the toughest units for me.
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    (Original post by Deadfish41)
    hahaha lol well im not surprised, him and his long hair and all!

    I had phil for my interview and all i remember was him being really unimpressed. so for me, he was known as the grumpy guy lol its pretty good that we've managed to survive the 3 years.. almost

    and yeah they dont have a PCS (principles of computer systems) exam anymore! how annoying is that!! apparently its just a preperation unit for OST (operation system techniques)... The new first years are fairly lucky i say! PCS and OST were the toughest units for me.
    Ha, we just have it integrated into our programming exam, so we still get taught the stuff, just have to put it all down in one exam, but its been slightly shifted between the years because of us now splitting into two streams, we now get tested on python and c++ instead of just c and whatever else you were taught in the previous years.

    And yeah, we like to compare Ian to Jack Sparrow, and of course Ari is off of Compare the Meercat
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    Hey, all!! I've been reading this thread over and over and I still can't figure out which university is the best university for animation ), I have to decide between Herts, Teess and Bournemouth... I've got unconditional offers from them all, but that doesn't help me a lot since I cannot decide what to choose... ) What I like about Teess is the course structure, the con is that Teess is so far away from London.. Herts, I've seen many show reels from them and they've won so many competitions including Teess's Animex... All in all, which of these three is the most prestigious uni for the animation course? ) Thanks a lot for your help!!
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    (Original post by AlexandraStancu)
    Hey, all!! I've been reading this thread over and over and I still can't figure out which university is the best university for animation ), I have to decide between Herts, Teess and Bournemouth... I've got unconditional offers from them all, but that doesn't help me a lot since I cannot decide what to choose... ) What I like about Teess is the course structure, the con is that Teess is so far away from London.. Herts, I've seen many show reels from them and they've won so many competitions including Teess's Animex... All in all, which of these three is the most prestigious uni for the animation course? ) Thanks a lot for your help!!
    Well what do you want to become at the end of it? Each of the 3 Universities are amazing in their own right but each teach the subject in slightly different ways which will lead you into different areas.

    Do you want to become a TD? A character artist? An animator? There are all good at teaching everything, but what specifically do you want out of the degree?
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    Thanks for your replies... I fancy becoming an animator and I know that the course at Teess (Computer Character Animation) is perfect for this, however it is still too far away for me... In the end, I think I will choose Herts, but I don't know for sure...
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    Herts is very strong for character animation, don't take my word for it, watch these films, all of whom have been shortlisted or won prizes for animation worldwide:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT7fJgXcCpc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIpMejgJQRY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5jsrMwLpo

    Of course I am somewhat biased , but the quality of the work speaks for itself...
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    (Original post by AlexandraStancu)
    Thanks for your replies... I fancy becoming an animator and I know that the course at Teess (Computer Character Animation) is perfect for this, however it is still too far away for me... In the end, I think I will choose Herts, but I don't know for sure...

    hehe i just made the exact same decision. In the end I choose teesside as my firm and hertfordshire as my insurance. I know that both courses are great and I actually even thought hertfordshire's looked maybe even more impressive, but as I also live in london I really want to get away from here and see different parts of the country for the full uni experience, hertfordshire was an hour's bus journey from me and the students there go out to the same places ive already been going out to for the last 2 years, their campus is also sorta in the middle of nowhere so you have to travel to reach clubs for nights out etc.

    Herts looks great for the animation course, and im definatley happy with it as my insurance offer but im dying to get away from here and throw myself in the deep end by going somewhere on the other side of the country :woo:
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    That's OK, you can transfer over after year 1
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    First thanks for the compliments about the quality of our work at Herts

    I don't know if you could get any one person to answer some of your questions though - they would have to have attended both degrees at both universities and that's never happened I can tell you more about the Herts side of things and I'm sure there'll be some nice people from Bournemouth who can fill you in on their side too, maybe the best thing to do is then compare the two?

    I can tell you that we don't teach programming at Herts beyond the level of scripting (scripts that you might use to control parts of rigs or scripting for real time game editors), our course is much more character animation/modelling/art based. So if you do want a technical degree and you do want to know programming for CG I would suggest Bournemouth, they do that kind of thing much better than we do. We do cover animation in depth, as well as shaders, lighting, compositing, concept art, narrative / script writing, character design, anatomy and life drawing / clay sculpture, 3D modelling and also cinematography and editing and sound effects. You'll probably find that Bournemouth offer a similar range of subjects; all decent animation courses should. We do offer the students the chance to specialise at levels 2 and 3, we have a lot of optional modules so students who know that there is a very focused route they want to go on, may do so; however we find that most students want to try as wide as possible a range of subjects so that they have more overall skills, and know that they can handle a very wide range of possible future employment positions.

    Hertfordshire has life drawing once a week mandatory for all three years, plus the option to attend two more sessions a week if you want to (highly recommended for those who want to be character modellers)

    I don't think that any course will give out the actual percentage of students going into industry within a year, but I'm very happy with our level of achievement. A good number of our students are offered contracts before they graduate, we have quite a list of companies who visit the third years to get first choice of the top students before they leave the university. Hertfordshire does not have guaranteed Summer job placements, I doubt any animation course in the UK does, the industry is too small to support it. Some of our students do get placements, either Summer internships or one year placements every year, but they have to be pro active in achieving this; such positions are not just handed out on a plate.

    I think the stories you've heard about crime in Hatfield might be largely that: stories. The Home Office's own crime statistics rate Bournemouth as having a far higher crime rate than Hatfield does - 72 offences per 1000 people in Hatfield versus 114 offences per 1000 people in Bournemouth, or if you prefer actual number of total offences Hatfield had 7748 last year versus 18,652 in Bournemouth. That puts Bournemouth into the highest quantile of offences in the UK; Hatfield is ranked as average. Source: http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/ia/atlas.html

    I don't think you can say which is the better course though - both courses are different and it's hard to quantify direct comparisons between two courses that have different ethos. Besides, every student will have their own personal opinion and judgement of what 'better' means to them, so that's a hard question to ask if you want an unbiased answer.
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    I'd like to point out that from first hand experience living in bournemouth for me has been far more safer than living in london (south west) which is where i am from, so hopefully those stats ^ ^ ^ ^ wont put anyone off from coming to bournemouth :P

    I'll admit, the quality from bournemouth last year wasnt the greatest but im sure if you were to look back a couple more years in the archive you'll recognise that work produced from here is of a really high standard. It's mostly dependant on your own skills and how much effort you put into it, the university is just there to guide you really.

    Surely if you've applied to the animation arts course you would've read up on the course modules.. i think its on the Bournemouth website.. That explains what units you will do, and im sure you should be able to work it out from that :-)

    At bournemouth you never specialise in anything.. In your second year you will have a module called "specialist" which is where you're able to go into more depth of one particular subject (lighting/comping/rigging/animation/modelling/rendering etc..) I chose to do a rigging project for this unit, but now i have decided i'd rather go into lighting/rendering, so you never really specialise until you've decided yourself what you want to do.. (if that makes any sense)

    You can take optional life drawing lessons at Bournemouth, but i think that was a seperately run activity that students chipped in to fund (i think? .. i never did it so im not so sure on that)

    Bournemouths graduate % into the visual effects industry is probably the best... go to any vfx studio in london and ask how many of their employees are from bournemouth and they'll tell you that its above 50% at least.. Blue Zoo was actually started and owned by a group of Bournemouth graduates and they're doing really well now (google them) and they tend to hire a lot of bournemouth grads.

    Also how can you say you havn't seen much character animation from bournemouth?! again, have a look at the ncca archive!
    do a search for character animation..

    also i've just noticed that the top 20 has been updated to show the best works from Bournemouth.. however the best ones shown as you can see are from a few years ago.

    http://media3.bmth.ac.uk/ncca/

    Oh, and Bournemouth is a great area to live and having the beach in the summer, after these stressful deadlines is probably the perfect end to a what will be a tough year!
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    I got my place at both bournemouth and hertfordshire, and took a while trying to figure out which I wanted to go to, I actually loved both the places. What we have to remember, as 3d artists, and as animator's is while looking for a job they almost NEVER ask you IF you got a degree and where from you got one if you have one...they look at your work, you need to look at where you will be most comfortable developing your skills, and perhaps even enjoy life :P.

    The reputation bournemouth has is really hard to ignore though, but if you don't do well enough in your degree anywhere else...(which you should) then there is always the option of a masters in BU for the reputation afterwards if you really need it...

    In the end, I went with herts, why? It's close to london, but not just that, it was mostly because of 3DHIT (The hertfordshire animation/VFX student forums), There seems to be a close contact between most of the students in herts, even with the lecturers, with many people around to help you and friends you can make. I was always told, it's about connections, and rather than making acquaintances within your subject, isn't it even better to make friends? . It would be nice if anyone verified this to me, but I searched hard and haven't found anything like this within the bournemouth animation deparment.

    Reputation is less important than networking in this industry, Bournemouth, do however have high numbers working in the industry so thats where the networking would be easier, but herts is probably not that below them. Also, hertfordshire has that whole animation expose thing that (described by the course director) was a place where they can sweeten up industry people with champagne and food while they watch their student work XD. Opportunies is the only thing they can give us...I still insist : It's down to where you feel you will grow in the direction you want to more

    I couldn't help and feel as well, that (I applied for Computer Visualization in BU) I was going to be choosing more of a technical side (not neccesarily just that, just MORE of) if I picked BU, where I would be getting the more artistic development in the herts 3D Animation course. I have learnt programming on my own, I don't need a lecturer to teach me that, I CAN do, however, with student and lecturer support on my ideas, my drawings, my workflow etc.

    that being said...hatfield is a boring place and bournemouth is beautiful, but london is 20 minutes away from hertfordshire. IF it comes down to location, I've done the whole Londoner - moving away from London thing before, and it sucks, especially if you love London, some don't mind it, some love it, but think about how far you want to be from home :P nowhere is quite like London.

    Hope this helps, and hello to anyone starting in herts in september
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    hey guys i have seen a lot of discussion on herts and bu can any one tell me how teesside is when compared to herts and bu iam really keen on knowing more about this uni for animation course
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    (Original post by AlexandraStancu)
    Thanks for your replies... I fancy becoming an animator and I know that the course at Teess (Computer Character Animation) is perfect for this, however it is still too far away for me... In the end, I think I will choose Herts, but I don't know for sure...
    Why not try to apply for Bradford?
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    I've gotten offers from Bradford for "Computer Animation and Special Effects" and "Interactive Systems and Video Games Design". What do you think of the domain, university and town?

    I've also applied for at Huddersfield, but didn't get an answer yet.
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    You weren't offensive at all, dont worry about it

    the lecturers pushed us towards working in groups this year for our major projects, however myself and the majority of the course preferred to work solely on our own films. The reason why the lecturers wanted us to work in groups was due to the high standard of the animations from our 2nd year group projects. The feedback we received from industry was so positive that they wanted us to work in groups again. It's completely up to yourself (in the 3rd year), if you want to do a group project or not.
    You can email a lecturer and organise tutorials/meetings when you like, and we each have a set tutor throughout the year (for groups projects in yr1 and 2, and solo projects in yr3)..
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    (Original post by yinja)
    I got my place at both bournemouth and hertfordshire, and took a while trying to figure out which I wanted to go to, I actually loved both the places. What we have to remember, as 3d artists, and as animator's is while looking for a job they almost NEVER ask you IF you got a degree and where from you got one if you have one...they look at your work, you need to look at where you will be most comfortable developing your skills, and perhaps even enjoy life :P.

    The reputation bournemouth has is really hard to ignore though, but if you don't do well enough in your degree anywhere else...(which you should) then there is always the option of a masters in BU for the reputation afterwards if you really need it...

    In the end, I went with herts, why? It's close to london, but not just that, it was mostly because of 3DHIT (The hertfordshire animation/VFX student forums), There seems to be a close contact between most of the students in herts, even with the lecturers, with many people around to help you and friends you can make. I was always told, it's about connections, and rather than making acquaintances within your subject, isn't it even better to make friends? . It would be nice if anyone verified this to me, but I searched hard and haven't found anything like this within the bournemouth animation deparment.

    Reputation is less important than networking in this industry, Bournemouth, do however have high numbers working in the industry so thats where the networking would be easier, but herts is probably not that below them. Also, hertfordshire has that whole animation expose thing that (described by the course director) was a place where they can sweeten up industry people with champagne and food while they watch their student work XD. Opportunies is the only thing they can give us...I still insist : It's down to where you feel you will grow in the direction you want to more

    I couldn't help and feel as well, that (I applied for Computer Visualization in BU) I was going to be choosing more of a technical side (not neccesarily just that, just MORE of) if I picked BU, where I would be getting the more artistic development in the herts 3D Animation course. I have learnt programming on my own, I don't need a lecturer to teach me that, I CAN do, however, with student and lecturer support on my ideas, my drawings, my workflow etc.

    that being said...hatfield is a boring place and bournemouth is beautiful, but london is 20 minutes away from hertfordshire. IF it comes down to location, I've done the whole Londoner - moving away from London thing before, and it sucks, especially if you love London, some don't mind it, some love it, but think about how far you want to be from home :P nowhere is quite like London.

    Hope this helps, and hello to anyone starting in herts in september
    Ha, I read the whole thing before realizing who posted it. :p:
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