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Title explains it simply, just wondering if there's a benefit or does it mainly depend on whether I think I can do well. Additionally, would a grade <1 in STEP I achieved in Y12 just look bad? Btw, useful info, aiming for Maths at Cambridge.
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Title explains it simply, just wondering if there's a benefit or does it mainly depend on whether I think I can do well. Additionally, would a grade <1 in STEP I achieved in Y12 just look bad? Btw, useful info, aiming for Maths at Cambridge.
I would say if you expect to get 100% in Maths & FM barring silly mistakes and are willing to devote serious time to it then yes. If you can't get an S or 1 then probably Cambridge Maths will be a struggle anyway. If you can then the preparation will be helpful for the eventual maths interview.
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I would say if you expect to get 100% in Maths & FM barring silly mistakes and are willing to devote serious time to it then yes. If you can't get an S or 1 then probably Cambridge Maths will be a struggle anyway. If you can then the preparation will be helpful for the eventual maths interview.
Yeah I do, definitely up to doing it too. Do you know when I have to apply to do STEP I by? There's surely a deadline, hopefully it's pretty late so I can just do STEP work and if everything's going well and I think an S or 1 is possible, then I choose to do it?
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Yeah I do, definitely up to doing it too. Do you know when I have to apply to do STEP I by? There's surely a deadline, hopefully it's pretty late so I can just do STEP work and if everything's going well and I think an S or 1 is possible, then I choose to do it?
You have ages yet:

http://www.admissionstestingservice....tes-and-costs/

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Oh wow I have until APRIL! Wow brilliant, thanks!
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You really do need a few A-levels in maths before it becomes doable though.
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You really do need a few A-levels in maths before it becomes doable though.
You mean a few modules? Well yeah I'm doing C1/C2/S1/FP1/M1/M2 That's easily enough
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You mean a few modules? Well yeah I'm doing C1/C2/S1/FP1/M1/M2 That's easily enough
No I mean a few A-levels. You at least need C3/C4, but FP2-4 are very useful for it.
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No I mean a few A-levels. You at least need C3/C4, but FP2-4 are very useful for it.
Well I know I don't need it, they would just help. STEP II and III i would, but much less so STEP I
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Well I know I don't need it, they would just help. STEP II and III i would, but much less so STEP I
You underestimate STEP 1. You definitely need C3 and C4, but some questions will be impossible without FP2/FP3/FP4. Some mechanics questions will be impossible without M3/M4 and most statistics questions will be impossible without S2/S3/S4. Have a try at a paper and you will see. Do you know how the paper works(for example you answer 6 questions etc.)?
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(Original post by joe12345marc)
Well I know I don't need it, they would just help. STEP II and III i would, but much less so STEP I
You NEED C3/ C4 to realistically attempt Step 1. M1, M2, S1 and S2 are also recommended, as otherwise you're limiting yourself on which questions you can even attempt. You also need a few other things like proof by induction and proof by contradiction (induction is taught in FP1, but you could self teach that without too much difficulty as FP1 isn't actually a prerequisite for STEP 1 or STEP 2). s

C1-4, M1-2, S1-2 are the only modules needed for STEP 1 and STEP 2. STEP 3 can ask questions that require knowledge of any of the A-level modules.
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You NEED C3/ C4 to realistically attempt Step 1. M1, M2, S1 and S2 are also recommended, as otherwise you're limiting yourself on which questions you can even attempt. You also need a few other things like proof by induction and proof by contradiction (induction is taught in FP1, but you could self teach that without too much difficulty as FP1 isn't actually a prerequisite for STEP 1 or STEP 2). s

C1-4, M1-2, S1-2 are the only modules needed for STEP 1 and STEP 2. STEP 3 can ask questions that require knowledge of any of the A-level modules.
Doing STEP prep, there are often questions in STEP 1 that require M3, FP2, FP3 or S3 to attempt
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Doing STEP prep, there are often questions in STEP 1 that require M3, FP2, FP3 or S3 to attempt
Have you got any specific examples? And are these from the really old papers (pre 1995), as the spec did change after this?
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Have you got any specific examples? And are these from the really old papers (pre 1995), as the spec did change after this?
1998(just as a quick example, there are more in later papers, but I didn't want to list every example)

list of extra modules needed to answer all questions:

pure:
3-FP3
5-FP2
I believe 8 needs FP3, but haven't done that question yet

mechanics:
9-M3
10-M3

Not so good with statistics and I have no idea what S3/S4 covers
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1998(just as a quick example, there are more in later papers, but I didn't want to list every example)

list of extra modules needed to answer all questions:

pure:
3-FP3
5-FP2
I believe 8 needs FP3, but haven't done that question yet

mechanics:
9-M3
10-M3

Not so good with statistics and I have no idea what S3/S4 covers
I may have got the dates of the spec change wrong. But certainly in the newer papers (say 2003/4 onwards or so), there are definitely not any questions that require complex numbers, nor should there be any that require knowledge of modules other than C1-C4, M1-M2, S1-S2. That's not to say they won't ask questions that could be made easier using knowledge from a later module. Are you aware of any questions requiring FP2/ FP3 from 2003 onwards?
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I may have got the dates of the spec change wrong. But certainly in the newer papers (say 2003/4 onwards or so), there are definitely not any questions that require complex numbers, nor should there be any that require knowledge of modules other than C1-C4, M1-M2, S1-S2. That's not to say they won't ask questions that could be made easier using knowledge from a later module. Are you aware of any questions requiring FP2/ FP3 from 2003 onwards?
Right, I also thought the spec change was earlier
It is true that from 2003, there seem to be fewer of these questions. Only one I can find in a few minutes of looking is 11-M3.
edit: in the 2003 paper
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So based on this, STEP 1 is doable with C1-4, M1-2(possibly M3), S1-2(possibly S3), with some extra FP1-FP2 stuff to learn
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Right, I also thought the spec change was earlier
It is true that from 2003, there seem to be fewer of these questions. Only one I can find in a few minutes of looking is 11-M3.
edit: in the 2003 paper
Question 11 seems to be doable with M1 and M2 knowledge, at least on Edexcel.
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Question 11 seems to be doable with M1 and M2 knowledge, at least on Edexcel.
Not AQA, which adds to the complexity of the OP's question
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Either way, the answer is that they shouldn't take it yet
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