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    (Original post by The Green Manalishi)
    There is a debate as to whether it's compulsory or not, but i'm of the opinion that it's definitely better.
    Why are you of this opinion, out of interest?
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    I think the limitation of inter-sex friendships under Islam is quite sad.
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    (Original post by mockish)
    Why are you of this opinion, out of interest?
    Because it's reported in the hadith that some of the, if not all, the women of the Sahaba (RA) [that's the companions of Prophet Muhammed (SAW)] used to cover their faces.

    I'll post a link later with some details if you like
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    (Original post by mipmapped)
    I think the limitation of inter-sex friendships under Islam is quite sad.
    I think so too, very much. I think it's a backward belief.
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    (Original post by mipmapped)
    I think the limitation of inter-sex friendships under Islam is quite sad.
    the thing is though that as long as a person isn't forced into believing something, which thankfully as this is Britain doesn't happen as often as it could, a muslim person can pretty much do what they want. If they want to follow their religion to the letter, they can and if they want to perhaps be a bit more lenient then again they can. I know I probably shouldn't but I have quite a few male friends and although my parents know and don't really approve, they haven't told me not to do it either as they know its my choice.
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    there's quite a lot of closet racism here....

    i personally feel that the woman in question HAS been untruthful etc. and so probably shouldnt be allowed to teach as she misled the interviewer. HOWEVER, i don't think we should make other religions conform to our standards, just because its 'our' (ahem... round earth people...) land. just as i wouldnt willingly follow other practices in other countries...
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    (Original post by Emerald)
    the thing is though that as long as a person isn't forced into believing something, which thankfully as this is Britain doesn't happen as often as it could, a muslim person can pretty much do what they want. If they want to follow their religion to the letter, they can and if they want to perhaps be a bit more lenient then again they can. I know I probably shouldn't but I have quite a few male friends and although my parents know and don't really approve, they haven't told me not to do it either as they know its my choice.
    I don't buy the suggestion that you shouldn't have male friends. Who you socialise with is your choice and responsibility alone, and you must trust your judgment of character. I would never encourage the notion that a religious belief should guide your choice of friends; because if it did then in all likelihood you'd be missing out on a fantastic person as a friend. Personally the one requirement of a friend is that they are a good person at heart, regardless of their beliefs, race or what drugs they do etc.
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    (Original post by The Green Manalishi)
    Because it's reported in the hadith that some of the, if not all, the women of the Sahaba (RA) [that's the companions of Prophet Muhammed (SAW)] used to cover their faces.

    I'll post a link later with some details if you like
    And Jesus walked everywhere...should we do so too? Giliwoo must ask how it is that because a custom was practiced by those in close proximity with a Holy Man, it should in anyway reflect the Holiness of those who follow His teachings?
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    the thing is though that as long as a person isn't forced into believing something, which thankfully as this is Britain doesn't happen as often as it could, a muslim person can pretty much do what they want. If they want to follow their religion to the letter, they can and if they want to perhaps be a bit more lenient then again they can. I know I probably shouldn't but I have quite a few male friends and although my parents know and don't really approve, they haven't told me not to do it either as they know its my choice.
    I think the fact that you have to keep it secret is sad.

    If people want to do it, by all means.

    I just think they're missing out on something, that's all.


    just as i wouldnt willingly follow other practices in other countries...
    I would, and those that I know that have travelled have aswell.
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    (Original post by Juwel)
    I don't buy the suggestion that you shouldn't have male friends. Who you socialise with is your choice and responsibility alone, and you must trust your judgment of character. I would never encourage the notion that a religious belief should guide your choice of friends; because if it did then in all likelihood you'd be missing out on a fantastic person as a friend. Personally the one requirement of a friend is that they are a good person at heart, regardless of their beliefs, race or what drugs they do etc.
    the thing is though that as a person who doesnt follow our religion you also don't buy into the suggestion that you have to believe in One God or follow our prophets teachings to go to heaven. Religion is about sacrifice and not doing things you really want to.



    mipmapped- I didnt say I had to keep it secret:confused: but i don know that theres some people who doa dn the way I see it by keeping it secret they're admitting that they are doing something wong whereas I don't see it as wrong at all
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    (Original post by Giliwoo)
    And Jesus walked everywhere...should we do so too? Giliwoo must ask how it is that because a custom was practiced by those in close proximity with a Holy Man, it should in anyway reflect the Holiness of those who follow His teachings?
    Because they were taught directly at his hands and hence were the most righteous (at least imo) after the Prophets of Almighty God, peace be upon them all.

    I think it's better to live like them, as their lifestyle was more Islamic in nature although there are concessions one would have to make in the modern world e.g. as cool as camels are, it's fine to drive a car
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    (Original post by Giliwoo)
    And Jesus walked everywhere...should we do so too? Giliwoo must ask how it is that because a custom was practiced by those in close proximity with a Holy Man, it should in anyway reflect the Holiness of those who follow His teachings?
    The muslim belief is that the Prophet Muhammad is the best example of a servant to Allah and that all Muslims should try to be like him. So many things that are Sunnat (not compulsory but highly encouraged as the Prophet did it) are taken up by the followers.

    Though the implication of your post seems to be that the Quran and Hadith should not be applied and believed to the letter; this I agree with.
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    mipmapped- I didnt say I had to keep it secret but i don know that theres some people who doa dn the way I see it by keeping it secret they're admitting that they are doing something wong whereas I don't see it as wrong at all
    Sorry, a complete misreading of your post .
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    (Original post by Emerald)
    the thing is though that as a person who doesnt follow our religion you also don't buy into the suggestion that you have to believe in One God or follow our prophets teachings to go to heaven. Religion is about sacrifice and not doing things you really want to.
    What does this have to do with the friends you or I make? I don't care about a person's religious values, just their moral ones.

    And just so people know, I'm from a Muslim family but do not myself believe in Islam.
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    (Original post by nik87)
    there's quite a lot of closet racism here....

    i personally feel that the woman in question HAS been untruthful etc. and so probably shouldnt be allowed to teach as she misled the interviewer. HOWEVER, i don't think we should make other religions conform to our standards, just because its 'our' (ahem... round earth people...) land. just as i wouldnt willingly follow other practices in other countries...
    There's quite a lot of Bull**** in your post: anyone that has a negative opinion on any religion other than their own is a racist (Especially those that aren't christianity). Cheers for that one :rolleyes:

    Apparantly on TSR you are a respected member.. closet irony?? :p:
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    what its got to do with friends Juwel, is that in Islam it says that you shouldnt be friends with memebers of the opposite sex and if you want to be the best muslim you can, then you should follow this. you might not care about a persons religious values, but if they believe in them then they care.
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    I think the fact she is a teaching assistant in a Primary School has a lot to do with it aswell, I think it'd be a be a bit different in a Secondary School because of maturer students, but if she were teaching me when I was about 5 years old I would have been scared. Very scared.
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    My problem is when people cover their faces you have no idea who they are and the basic instint of human security is the fact you can see faces, its how you regconise people.
    Yup. I agree with that. I have absulutly no problem with headscarfs or obvous displays of being religious such as wearing crucifixes or anything like that. But your face...?

    It's certainly not fair on the kids. I'd imagine they must be very young to have a classroom assistant (I can only remember having them in first school) and at a young age communication is vital. How are they going to see her expressions? How would she show them she was angry other than shouting? How would she smile to praise them? Hearing would be a problem if you coudn't see her lips moving too, ofcourse.

    I'd imagine some could find it quite frightening too - like they would a balacava.
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    (Original post by xrosiex)
    I think the fact she is a teaching assistant in a Primary School has a lot to do with it aswell, I think it'd be a be a bit different in a Secondary School because of maturer students, but if she were teaching me when I was about 5 years old I would have been scared. Very scared.
    another point is that as these were kids that were under the age of puberty then she didn't even have to wear a headscarf in front of them let alone a niqab. Myabe she could have come to some sort of agreement with the school that she would take it of in front of her pupils as long as there were no male memebrs of staff in the classroom?
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    At the end of the day, you don't want to talk to a sheet....
 
 
 
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