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Smash Bandicoot
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Brief recollection of my general knowledge on systems through the ages
Our rough choices in no particular chronological order:
-Hunter-gatherer nomadic lifestyle
-Tribe
-Despotism
-Empire
-Monarchy
sometimes incl. Privilege e.g. Ancien Regime France
-Organised religion
-Oligarchy
-Technocracy
-Capitalism
-Democracy/Meritocracy
-Federation
-Dictatorship (usually military)
-Cult of personality
-Socialism
-Communism
-??? <- what comes next guys?!
Our rough choices in no particular chronological order:
-Hunter-gatherer nomadic lifestyle
-Tribe
-Despotism
-Empire
-Monarchy
sometimes incl. Privilege e.g. Ancien Regime France
-Organised religion
-Oligarchy
-Technocracy
-Capitalism
-Democracy/Meritocracy
-Federation
-Dictatorship (usually military)
-Cult of personality
-Socialism
-Communism
-??? <- what comes next guys?!
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Direct participation.
The electorate logs in to vote on issues via electronic means. Accordingly there is no party voting, as such, the role of the politician is to stir the masses to follow his/her point of view. Basically X Factor does politics.
Result- greater democracy but unstable policy making with little coherence, population lurches back and forward on issues and the media, including social media, regains its power to sway decisions.
This will be a somewhat short lived phase as if we are lucky it will be so damaging we will have years of famine, plague and pestilence and if unlucky we will have told Russia or someone similar where to go and will have then nuked each other out of existence.
The electorate logs in to vote on issues via electronic means. Accordingly there is no party voting, as such, the role of the politician is to stir the masses to follow his/her point of view. Basically X Factor does politics.
Result- greater democracy but unstable policy making with little coherence, population lurches back and forward on issues and the media, including social media, regains its power to sway decisions.
This will be a somewhat short lived phase as if we are lucky it will be so damaging we will have years of famine, plague and pestilence and if unlucky we will have told Russia or someone similar where to go and will have then nuked each other out of existence.
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Direct participation.
The electorate logs in to vote on issues via electronic means. Accordingly there is no party voting, as such, the role of the politician is to stir the masses to follow his/her point of view. Basically X Factor does politics.
Result- greater democracy but unstable policy making with little coherence, population lurches back and forward on issues and the media, including social media, regains its power to sway decisions.
This will be a somewhat short lived phase as if we are lucky it will be so damaging we will have years of famine, plague and pestilence and if unlucky we will have told Russia or someone similar where to go and will have then nuked each other out of existence.
Direct participation.
The electorate logs in to vote on issues via electronic means. Accordingly there is no party voting, as such, the role of the politician is to stir the masses to follow his/her point of view. Basically X Factor does politics.
Result- greater democracy but unstable policy making with little coherence, population lurches back and forward on issues and the media, including social media, regains its power to sway decisions.
This will be a somewhat short lived phase as if we are lucky it will be so damaging we will have years of famine, plague and pestilence and if unlucky we will have told Russia or someone similar where to go and will have then nuked each other out of existence.
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is it silly that I thought of The Hunger Games a little from this? I mean I thought that was a futuristic oligarchy/technocracy/empire hybrid but the actual contest does involve some direct participation...
is it silly that I thought of The Hunger Games a little from this? I mean I thought that was a futuristic oligarchy/technocracy/empire hybrid but the actual contest does involve some direct participation...
Thinks like virtual reality headsets will start to have applied application within our lives, the pace of change is pretty staggering looked at from the perspective of someone my age whose early childhood had two TV channels that were only on some of the day.
I read 1984 a long time ago, now we all have large screens on the wall, the only tech part not implemented is us being watched via the screen- technically possible but politically untenable (for now)
I do not think politicians themselves will push for direct voter representation via electronic means- that would be turkeys voting for Christmas, but eventually it will no doubt arrive.
The best thing that could happen to mankind is some contact with other species from space (benevolent)- this might start us on the road to appreciating that nationality, race, color and gender within humanity are pretty insignificant differences compared with dealing with an alien life form.
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Either what the ancient Greeks or the Inca's had but there's no way either of them would work like they did now I doubt
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Zero growth model will be next, like Japan. We have everything we need and the economy is ossifying. The question is who is going to collect the rents (control the means of production). Unaccountable corporations or non-profit collectives? We had better think carefully as they will be doing it for a very long time.
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Either what the ancient Greeks or the Inca's had but there's no way either of them would work like they did now I doubt
Either what the ancient Greeks or the Inca's had but there's no way either of them would work like they did now I doubt
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Perhaps a mutualist economic system where the workers own and have control over the means of production and collective or perhaps syndicalism?
Of course the ideal would be FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM!
Of course the ideal would be FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM!
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Perhaps a mutualist economic system where the workers own and have control over the means of production and collective or perhaps syndicalism?
Of course the ideal would be FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM!
Perhaps a mutualist economic system where the workers own and have control over the means of production and collective or perhaps syndicalism?
Of course the ideal would be FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM!
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I thought we've tried the first two of those? Syndicalism was a flop in the US in the early 20th century wasn't it?
I thought we've tried the first two of those? Syndicalism was a flop in the US in the early 20th century wasn't it?
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There is no model that should replace capitalism, it is superior to every alternative trialed to date (though it needs a tweak here and there). When we crack space mining, that's when we may need to consider a new economic system as scarcity goes out the window.
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Capitalism only works if everyone trusts each other. But they don't, that's why the rich are richer and the poor are poorer
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