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B731 - Living Wage Bill 2014, TSR Government

Living Wage Bill 2014
An Act raising the minimum wage to the living wage.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

1: Contracts of Employment
(1) All employees shall have a contract of employment detailing their hourly wage.
(2) All employers must provide a written payslip upon the payment of wages.

2: Minimum Wage
(1) It is an offence to employ somebody for less per hour than the hourly living wage.
(2) The living wage shall be the amount determined by the Living Wage Foundation.

3: Commencement, Short Title and Extent
(1) This Act may be cited as the Living Wage Act 2014.
(2) This bill shall extend to the British Republic; and
(3) Shall come into force on 1st April 2016.



Notes
The living wage as currently set by the Living Wage Foundation is £7.65 outside of London and £8.80 within London.
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Aye, an important step to ensure employees make a fair wage.
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I'd support raising it to eight pounds per hour however I don't support a statutory obligation to tie it to the cost of living as it should be based on what business can afford to pay and that analysis is best done comparing our peers.

We also have a residents income on TSR already.

So Nay.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
We also have a residents income on TSR already.
For me (although I must emphasise that not everyone in the Government shares this view) this is the first step to a restricted Resident's Income, which as far as I'm concerned makes sense as it would stop state subsidy of low wages.
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Some businesses simply cannot afford to pay these wages.

Nay.
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I cannot support a bill which is epitome of political and social idealism. Assuming I did like this bill it is not wise to have a biased political organisation controlling the new minimum wage. Any living wage should be determined by Parliament following extensive studies conducted by a neutral body. I would happily support a minimum wage increase but any increase should be no more than 15% each time.

The danger is setting a minimum wage rate significantly higher than an equilibrium wage rate could cause unemployment. Large multinational companies like PWC and Tesco may be able to afford higher wages, but other companies like hairdressers, and small, local cafes will find the 20% increase in wages enough to drive up total costs to the level where bankruptcy or closing down is the only option. The small company could lay off workers forcing the remaining workers to do more but I believe it is better to have multiple workers on current minimum wage than it is to have fewer workers on living wage. An alternative is to lower the wages of workers paid above the living wage to balance everything out, or risk cosh-push inflation.


I feel a better option would be to have a campaign encouraging companies to pay the living wage without forcing it on them. The people who will benefit are usually those people who do not earn the lion's share in a household. The household is above the poverty line, and any increase in the wage for an additional worker only produces more disposable income; the poorest in society are not necessarily helped out by a living wage.

The timing is also not right. Britain's economy is weak and firms are more prone to wage changes in a weak economy.
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A shame to see members of the 'People's Army' not supporting a bill which will improve the lives of a great many people in society.

Just what group of 'people' does this Army fight for?
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A shame to see members of the 'People's Army' not supporting a bill which will improve the lives of a great many people in society.

Just what group of 'people' does this Army fight for?
The people's army examines all arguments first. There is a strong case to make saying a large increase in minimum wage at this point in time will only lead to more poverty and unemployment. The people's army does not want to see unemployment rise so we claim remaining workers are being paid more.

Owning a small, local newspaper business myself I pay my five staff the minimum wage. Three of those staff who deliver the locally-focused magazines are employed on zero-hour contracts. I am currently breaking even, if I was forced to pay the workers more I would either need to increase the cost of the magazine or make a few workers redundant. The local cafe, the corner shop, the small bakery, the local newspapers, and the local butcher are all in my position, especially with the rise of supermarkets and the internet. I do not want to see small, local businesses killed off on the back of a political ideology which will only help duel-income families the most. I will accept poverty my be reduced by a living wage in the form of a 10% increase in wages will reduce poverty by 1-2%, but the reduction is not enough to justify the heavy burden on small businesses.
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I would definetly want a raising of the minimum wage and more then is listed on their website. However I do not believe that a non-government agency should be able to make decisions that only the government should.

For this reason I will be abstaining from this vote. I just want to stress that I am not against increasing the living wage. It is only because of the outsourcing of government power.
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some regions have a different living wage so nay
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A shame to see members of the 'People's Army' not supporting a bill which will improve the lives of a great many people in society.

Just what group of 'people' does this Army fight for?
It's such a shame, yet not at all surprising, to see the famously incompetent Labour Party supporting a bill which will only result in higher unemployment.

It's even more of a shame that Labour only ever mange to help themselves, your policies being so ill thought through that you attack the rich yet don't manage to help the poorer in society either.

We in UKIP are fighting for those that want to keep their jobs but could lose them as a result of this reckless bill.
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Can I just ask if unemployment wil suddenly be massive how did it change when the minimum wage was introduced. Surely those are the figures that should be used to decide.
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Could I point out that the Living Wage is currently £7.85 outside of London and £9.15 inside London, how can you get this wrong as it was changed 2 months ago

Also UKIPers, you're all wrong, there's no proof to say that it'll result in job losses, in-fact the opposite has happened both here and in the US where employers have come out in support of it and there are already a lot of employers following this scheme. For once Labour and the Left in general are right
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Nay. This would be a blow for small businesses.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
Owning a small, local newspaper business myself I pay my five staff the minimum wage. Three of those staff who deliver the locally-focused magazines are employed on zero-hour contracts. I am currently breaking even, if I was forced to pay the workers more I would either need to increase the cost of the magazine or make a few workers redundant. The local cafe, the corner shop, the small bakery, the local newspapers, and the local butcher are all in my position, especially with the rise of supermarkets and the internet. I do not want to see small, local businesses killed off on the back of a political ideology which will only help duel-income families the most. I will accept poverty my be reduced by a living wage in the form of a 10% increase in wages will reduce poverty by 1-2%, but the reduction is not enough to justify the heavy burden on small businesses.
You own a small local newspaper, are you selling ad space in your paper as if you were, you'd be making a profit, not a lot but there would be a profit that should pay for the rise in wage costs.

I own my own business and work for another company, my business makes a decent profit and has employees, I make a handsome profit and pay more than minimum wage but then again I'm not restricted to the local area. There comes a point where you should say **** it and not bother with your business if it's struggling.
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(Original post by tehFrance)
Also UKIPers, you're all wrong, there's no proof to say that it'll result in job losses, in-fact the opposite has happened both here and in the US where employers have come out in support of it and there are already a lot of employers following this scheme. For once Labour and the Left in general are right

You own a small local newspaper, are you selling ad space in your paper as if you were, you'd be making a profit, not a lot but there would be a profit that should pay for the rise in wage costs.

I own my own business and work for another company, my business makes a decent profit and has employees, I make a handsome profit and pay more than minimum wage but then again I'm not restricted to the local area. There comes a point where you should say **** it and not bother with your business if it's struggling.
I think you are off the mark with your first point. Two respected economists, David Neumark and William L. Wascher, have published a series of reports in 2013 reviewing economic evidence from around the world. Their conclusion is a minimum wage increase does lead to job losses. Their reports are the most detailed reports yet using considerably more evidence than political groups writing their own report to backup their case. There have been four reports: one, two, three, and four. There has also been a report by economist Kristian Niemietz questioning the validity of reports calming a minimum increase wage has no effect on jobs. For a more biased report you can read the one by McDonald's.

I agree but it is difficult to know when. Yes I sell advertising, but I made mistakes early on choosing to go for a print based version relying on manual, mass distribution in the area to pull in the advertising contracts instead of an online version with a wider audience. When I say break evens it's not 0:0 but a few hundred net profit which is nothing. I'm lucky as I use the family accountant to do my finances saving more costs. At least there is no debt with the business :^_^:. What is your business about?
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