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    (Original post by therapiststeve)
    The alpha male at my school failed his BTEC while my nerdy friend is doing law at Cambridge. It doesn't work in human society
    A real Alpha, would be sleeping with the guys wife whilst he works, then taking his wage at the end of every month.
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    (Original post by jaffacake111)
    Only if they let it - good evolutionary reasons for "alpha male" but we do not have to live inna Darwinian society and can forgo our "selfish genes", I am very glad about that.
    There aren't actually very good evolutionary explanations for "alpha males." Human beings have often tended to have a fairly fluid social structure. That's actually part of our adaption and is more natural than having a "pack leader."

    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    I don't think its very controversial that in a social set up there will be leaders and dominant individuals that others naturally follow. Online there's a particular concept of an 'alpha male' thats a bit weird though and features behaviours that most people would think were cringy.

    There are lots of confident, successful men out there that are popular with women and successful in studying/career etc but they don't tend to be the ones that are obsessed with going on about 'alphas' and 'betas' all the time.
    It is controversial that the same people would be leaders and dominant in every situation.

    (Original post by Super Cicero)
    No men are "alpha males" because humans are not animals. Its a load of rubbish, just like the false religion of Darwinism its built on.
    Humans are animals, but even most animals don't have such simplistic social structures. The term came from grey wolves, but it turned out that it was only an artifact of their being kept in captivity. A few species of primates follow the structure, such as gorillas and internet pickup artists.
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    (Original post by A5ko)
    A real Alpha, would be sleeping with the guys wife whilst he works, then taking his wage at the end of every month.
    That sounds more like a parasite than an alpha male.
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    [QUOTE=SmashConcept;52435667]There aren't actually very good evolutionary explanations for "alpha males." Human beings have often tended to have a fairly fluid social structure. That's actually part of our adaption and is more natural than having a "pack leader."

    Precisely my point. Social groups do adapt but humans ARE anmals.

    Watch the bloody fight of elephant seals for a harem of females. Similar behaviour seen in our not too distant relatives too and some would argue within our very own species.

    Cases of sexual dimorphism (see phesants and peacocks) only illustrate my point. Why would an animal choose to go to such costly pains to attract a mate other than because it cannot choose - it can only be selected.

    There is of course a balance to be had and interesting paradoxical beahviours (see R.A. Fisher and W.D. Hamilton) but the point still stands.
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    There aren't actually very good evolutionary explanations for "alpha males." Human beings have often tended to have a fairly fluid social structure. That's actually part of our adaption and is more natural than having a "pack leader."


    It is controversial that the same people would be leaders and dominant in every situation.


    Humans are animals, but even most animals don't have such simplistic social structures. The term came from grey wolves, but it turned out that it was only an artifact of their being kept in captivity. A few species of primates follow the structure, such as gorillas and internet pickup artists.
    Precisely my point. Social groups do adapt but humans ARE anmals.

    Watch the bloody fight of elephant seals for a harem of females. Similar behaviour seen in our not too distant relatives too and some would argue within our very own species.

    Cases of sexual dimorphism (see phesants and peacocks) only illustrate my point. Why would an animal choose to go to such costly pains to attract a mate other than because it cannot choose - it can only be selected.

    There is of course a balance to be had and interesting paradoxical beahviours (see R.A. Fisher and W.D. Hamilton) but the point still stands.
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    (Original post by jaffacake111)
    Precisely my point. Social groups do adapt but humans ARE anmals.

    Watch the bloody fight of elephant seals for a harem of females. Similar behaviour seen in our not too distant relatives too and some would argue within our very own species.

    Cases of sexual dimorphism (see phesants and peacocks) only illustrate my point. Why would an animal choose to go to such costly pains to attract a mate other than because it cannot choose - it can only be selected.

    There is of course a balance to be had and interesting paradoxical beahviours (see R.A. Fisher and W.D. Hamilton) but the point still stands.
    A lot of animals seem to avoid conflict by the hawk/dove game theory concept. Theoretically animals want to minimize conflict while maximizing chances of mating, so they need to be either alpha/beta depending on the situation or even randomly. In the game they use territory to make the decision as to whether they should be dominant or submissive.
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    works in societies of simpletons.

    works if the men/women you're going for have single-digit IQ's.

    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    Humans are animals, but even most animals don't have such simplistic social structures. The term came from grey wolves, but it turned out that it was only an artifact of their being kept in captivity. A few species of primates follow the structure, such as gorillas and internet pickup artists.
    ^^
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    (Original post by therapiststeve)
    The alpha male at my school failed his BTEC while my nerdy friend is doing law at Cambridge. It doesn't work in human society
    I would say that your Cambridge-attending Law undergraduate is an Intellectual Alpha on track to being Corporate Alpha with social proof. See?
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    (Original post by A5ko)
    A real Alpha, would be sleeping with the guys wife whilst he works, then taking his wage at the end of every month.
    nah man that's Dark Triad lol
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    I would say that your Cambridge-attending Law undergraduate is an Intellectual Alpha on track to being Corporate Alpha with social proof. See?
    Yes but in a different society he wouldn't be.
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    (Original post by therapiststeve)
    Yes but in a different society he wouldn't be.
    I have Pmed you
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    (Original post by Gjaykay)
    'Alpha Male' Is not a word.
    Word sentence statement I don't care don't simply refute it, we are not losers
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    The Hobbit movies perfectly exhibit this. In reality, the Alpha male is Thorin Oakenshield. A strong, independent, courageous, knowledgeable leader who can progress onwards with his followers. On the internet, the alpha male is Bolg. A big, brutish, hench warrior who is all about showing off his muscles and intimidating others.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    The Hobbit movies perfectly exhibit this. In reality, the Alpha male is Thorin Oakenshield. A strong, independent, courageous, knowledgeable leader who can progress onwards with his followers. On the internet, the alpha male is Bolg. A big, brutish, hench warrior who is all about showing off his muscles and intimidating others.
    Yes, well, I want to be Thorin without the whole ending to the Battle of the Five Armies-do my threads make sense now?
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    Duh, of course it is.

    It's the male equivalent of the beauty industry saying to women 'buy this or you will be ugly'. In both cases, the people saying it are after your money.
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    Yes, well, I want to be Thorin without the whole ending to the Battle of the Five Armies-do my threads make sense now?
    Yeah but before then he was an absolute **** because he expected loyalty and respect where it was not deserved.
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    A lot of animals seem to avoid conflict by the hawk/dove game theory concept. Theoretically animals want to minimize conflict while maximizing chances of mating, so they need to be either alpha/beta depending on the situation or even randomly. In the game they use territory to make the decision as to whether they should be dominant or submissive.
    At risk of hijacking original thread, I understand your point and it is achievable in principle if not in practice.

    The seeming symbiosis - a kind of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" - is even seen across species and in quite unlikely scenarios (see Crocodiles and plovers) so I am not disputing this.

    Similarly if all trees in a wood could agree to grown no taller than a critical height the pay off would be mutually benefical but alas this is not how it works. Just like for the dividends paid to me with a headache if everyone at a party could agree to talk instead of shout...

    Am reminded of Dawkins (I think in "River Out of Eden") saying with his usual effortless style that he does so well:

    "The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive; others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear; others are being slowly devoured from within by rasping parasites; thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst and disease. [...] In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Yeah but before then he was an absolute **** because he expected loyalty and respect where it was not deserved.
    dragon sickness bruh
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    dragon sickness bruh
    He wanted the gold, and was nearly destroyed by his greed. You want power and respect, see the parallels?
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    He wanted the gold, and was nearly destroyed by his greed. You want power and respect, see the parallels?
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