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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Why the **** has WWE cancelled its best programming in Talking Smack?! It was brilliant
    it's been meh for months tbf, none of the other presenters have the same chemistry with Renee as Daniel Bryan does and without him the show suffered big time, apparently it had low ratings as well so can't be that surprised tbh, they are keeping it for Pay Per Views at least
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    (Original post by Just Rory)
    it's been meh for months tbf, none of the other presenters have the same chemistry with Renee as Daniel Bryan does and without him the show suffered big time, apparently it had low ratings as well so can't be that surprised tbh, they are keeping it for Pay Per Views at least
    Don't get me wrong, it lacks something when Bryan isn't there, but it still adds depth to stories and gives superstars some freedom for creativity. I sure as hell prefer it to 205 Live, which has worse viewing figures.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Why the **** has WWE cancelled its best programming in Talking Smack?! It was brilliant
    I heard it was something to do with Mr McMahon not liking the idea of it because it was unscripted. Just a rumour I heard though so don't know if there's any truth to it.
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    (Original post by qasim_96)
    I heard it was something to do with Mr McMahon not liking the idea of it because it was unscripted. Just a rumour I heard though so don't know if there's any truth to it.
    Not sure about this tbh. I've read that rumour too - but, if the ratings are good, Vince won't care. He won't care it's unscripted if it's generating controversy. But, regardless, it's a shame - and a really disappointing decision from a personal POV. Aside from NXT, Talking Smack is undoubtedly the programming from WWE I look forward to most on a weekly basis.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Not sure about this tbh. I've read that rumour too - but, if the ratings are good, Vince won't care. He won't care it's unscripted if it's generating controversy. But, regardless, it's a shame - and a really disappointing decision from a personal POV. Aside from NXT, Talking Smack is undoubtedly the programming from WWE I look forward to most on a weekly basis.
    Yeah I enjoyed the showed too so I'm disappointed in the decision.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    I think it'll be an illegitimate child
    Gable maybe?
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    (Original post by xcuttlefish)
    Gable maybe?
    I think so. Graves is from Pittsburgh, though. But Kurt would have had to father him at 15.
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    So, it was Jason Jordan then. Kurt Angle's big mystery has finally been revealed. I knew it was an illegitimate child, and it gives Jordan a showcase, but there's only one way this should play out: Jordan should be working for Kurt Angle and Triple H, who have created this plan in a bid to oust Angle as GM. That can lead to a match further down the line between Angle/HHH. Shorter term, it's intriguing. In an interview post-RAW with Renee Young, it was already hinted Jordan may be getting preferential treatment, and that's a good storyline to focus on going forward.

    Elsewhere on Monday night, we saw Braun Strowman inevitably - but pleasingly - disrupt the main event to crown a No. 1 Contender for Brock Lesnar's Universal Championship. With Roman Reigns and Samoa Joe failing to find a winner, Strowman's re-emergence looks like adding another man to the bout for Summerslam, creating a Fatal 4-Way which may be the most excited I've been for a match all year. There's probably an argument that WWE is relying far too much on multi-man matches in lazy booking, but these four men deserve to be showcased and the main event is white-hot, so as a one-off bout, I'm all for it.

    Unfortunately, the women's and cruiserweight divisions are floundering. We saw Mustapha Ali and Jack Gallagher put away Drew Gulak and The Brian Kendrick in swift fashion last night. That was really disappointing, because they had no time to work, and it added nothing to the two feuds which are set to be showcased on 205 Live tonight. Ali/Gulak are in a 2-out-of-3 falls match tonight, but WWE did nothing to add interest. Much better is the story of Akira Tozawa, who hinted at dissension in the ranks of Titus Worldwide. During his bout with Daivari, the referee stopped the bout at Titus O'Neil's request after Tozawa's arm was targeted by the heel. The pair clashed to end the segment and it'll be intriguing to see where this goes. I'm a fan of Titus, and the current shtick, but if this leads to Tozawa turning on him, I could buy in.

    The women's division is just really disappointing right now. If WWE isn't shoehorning every single competitor in the division into one storyline, it's having Alexa Bliss lose clean to Bayley on TV. That's not a way to build a champion. I did really enjoy Sasha Banks and Nia Jax clashing outside the ring, though. And any relevancy added to Bayley at this point is welcome, considering she looked like she was past the point of no return a month ago.

    Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins kicked off RAW, teasing tension post-Shield break-up. It was a decent, if run-of-the-mill, opening segment. Rollins is woefully miscast as a babyface right now. He is naturally smug and naturally unlikeable. The two have teased a reunion, but Ambrose is clearly distrusting and I would love him to turn heel by attacking Rollins. It could help the latter get over, and help Ambrose breathe life into a seemingly stale career. The duo were beaten down by the Miz, Curtis Axel and Bo Dallas to end the segment. I like seeing Ambrose/Rollins together, but we can't waste the Shield reunion on the Miztourage. It needs to have further time to fester, maybe a couple of more years, and a more fearsome trio to face.

    We also saw progression in the Finn Balor vs Elias Samson feud, with the latter smashing a guitar over the babyface, before Bray Wyatt cut a nonsensical promo to suggest we're finally getting Bray vs Balor. This was the most fierce Samson has looked since being called up. I'm all for Balor vs Bray, too, if it means the return of the Demon and some decent, fresh matches. I just really want Balor back on PPV and Wyatt to face somebody that isn't Rollins.

    In the other notable segments, The Revival beat The Hardy Boyz in a fantastic match-up. These two teams will have great bouts and it's smart to have The Revival bag a win early. More and more losses for Matt and Jeff could spark the return of their Broken gimmick. That leaves the Raw Tag-Team Championships scene open, so WWE needs to be smart about creating legitimate challengers for Sheamus/Cesaro. We also saw Big Cass run over Big Show, after Enzo Amore cut another 10/10 promo. Cass looked like an absolute monster, running over Show and Amore, but I loved the promo from the babyface more. Enzo is enjoying a purple patch with the microphone and clearly enjoying being so passionate out in the ring.
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    If Hornswoggle is Vinny Mac's 'son' in WWE world then this shouldn't be a great surprise, more so disappointment with the teases..
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    (Original post by Aky786UK)
    If Hornswoggle is Vinny Mac's 'son' in WWE world then this shouldn't be a great surprise, more so disappointment with the teases..
    Apparently WWE sees a midcard push for Jordan. Really, the only way this ends is with it being a ruse by Triple H and Stephanie.
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    We've gone from the hottest WWE b-level PPV of the year, Great Balls of Fire, to the worst, Battleground. This has to be the least hot build to a PPV I've ever seen from WWE. Last night's SmackDown was the go-home show and such little of note happened. Jinder Mahal previewed his Punjabi Prison match with Randy Orton, cutting the same "I'm foreign, boo me" promo that he has been cutting for over a month. The Singh Brothers having the mic was a welcome change, but merely running through the rules of the bout before Mahal spoke to "his people" was stale. Mahal needs to develop his character now. Hopefully, once he's done with Orton, he can move on because his title reign, at this stage, has been a dud - and that's because he hasn't progressed or developed. He has cut the same promo for a month+.

    In terms of in-ring action, we saw Jimmy Uso beat Kofi Kingston after using the New Day member's momentum to roll through and get the pin. These teams have swapped wins in recent weeks and the rivalry has been really good. It's probably lacked a bit of intensity since the rap battle, though. I'm hopeful the Usos coming out on top last night doesn't mean they drop the belts come Sunday. I think they deserve a longer run and The New Day are better chasing the titles. The typical 50/50 booking worries me here, though. No such worries in the women's division, which saw Tamina stand tall out of her, Lana, Natalya, Becky Lynch and Charlotte. She stands no chance of winning the Fatal 5-Way this weekend, which will see a No. 1 Contender crowned, so I had no trouble with her looking dominant last night, after Lynch had made Charlotte tap out in singles competition.

    We saw Chad Gable sit down with Renee Young to discuss the Jason Jordan/Kurt Angle shtick, and he promised big things were to come. I've enjoyed his showcase recently - vs AJ Styles and Kevin Owens, and backstage with Maria Kanellis and Sami Zayn. Hopefully he continues this upward trajectory. As for Zayn, he lost to Mike Kanellis after Maria's interference last night, in a feud which is quietly impressing me. It's good Zayn is doing something different than the worn Owens/Baron Corbin feuds. These two have a legitimate rivalry and it has been very clear, logical storytelling.

    Something which has NOT been that is the John Cena vs Rusev feud. The heel came out on top last night, after Cena cut a typical, run-of-the-mill promo which just previewed Sunday's full PPV card. The image of Rusev standing on top of Cena will never get old, but this feud feels like it's straight out of 2015 and feeding Rusev to Cena is a questionable first feud for both superstars, in my view. In the main event, Owens picked up a well-needed win as he and Corbin overcame Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura. Having Corbin attack the latter to kick-start the main event was smart. He is becoming a heel with increased heat, owing to the cowardly nature of these attacks. These two singles bouts will be really solid on Sunday, but the build has been lazy.

    On 205 Live, Mustapha Ali overcame Drew Gulak in a 2 out of 3 Falls Match. It was ridiculous this wasn't the main event, if we're honest. The match lacked intensity and heat, and RAW hardly helped things on Monday night, giving the pair limited time to build hype for it. We then saw The Brian Kendrick run over some British jobber in a continuation of his feud with Jack Gallagher, who curiously didn't come out to help save the poor jobber from a beatdown. The main event saw Akira Tozawa beat Ariya Daivari before the heel attacked that injured shoulder, which was at the centre of their bit on RAW, suggesting this feud will just run and run.
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    (Original post by Aky786UK)
    If Hornswoggle is Vinny Mac's 'son' in WWE world then this shouldn't be a great surprise, more so disappointment with the teases..
    I'm not sure if it was better or worse than the idea that Mr Kennedy was going to be because his name is Kennedy.

    Don't get Vince's obsession with illegitimate secret children and incest. Ok, so now they're related, but they're still the same characters. It's not exactly an Undertaker/Kane dynamic.
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    Batlleground predictions:
    - John Cena ('Murica, 'Murica, **** Yeah!) def. Rusev in a Flag Match.
    - Tye Dillinger def. Aiden English.
    - Charlotte def. Becky Lynch, Natalya, Tamina Snuka and Lana in a Fatal 5-Way to determine the No. 1 Contender for Naomi's WWE SmackDown Women's Championship.
    - Mike Kanellis def. Sami Zayn.
    - Shinsuke Nakamura def. Baron Corbin.
    - The Usos def. The New Day in a WWE SmackDown Tag-Team Championships match.
    - AJ Styles def. Kevin Owens for the US Championship.
    - Jinder Mahal def. Randy Orton for the WWE Championship in a Punjabi Prison Match.
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    Orton will win but Baron Corbin will cash in
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Orton will win but Baron Corbin will cash in
    Just get that goddamn title off that jobber.
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Orton will win but Baron Corbin will cash in
    I say Cena beats Jinder for AMERICA at SummerSlam, breaking Ric's official record. There's confetti and Nikki etc. then Baron jumps him during the historical moment/celebration and cashes in.

    And if they really like Cena, Cena still wins.
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    Is it worrying that I'm far more excited about watching Raw on Monday night than I am about the PPV tomorrow?

    Only watched a few Smackdowns in the last few months and nearly dozed off during Backlash and MITB. I told myself I was gonna watch both brands all year from mania to mania but I just can't tolerate SmackDown!!
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    (Original post by IanDangerously)
    Is it worrying that I'm far more excited about watching Raw on Monday night than I am about the PPV tomorrow?

    Only watched a few Smackdowns in the last few months and nearly dozed off during Backlash and MITB. I told myself I was gonna watch both brands all year from mania to mania but I just can't tolerate SmackDown!!
    It was a tedious go-home show. The Flag Match and Punjabi Prison do nothing to excite me. The heat for the Usos/ New Day feud was brilliant after the Rap Battle. They should have had that on this Tuesday night. The momentum was with them, but then the feud has lost traction owing to the fact they've been booked in two singles match over the past fortnight. I'm not even massively excited for AJ vs Owens at this point, either.
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    (Original post by IanDangerously)
    Is it worrying that I'm far more excited about watching Raw on Monday night than I am about the PPV tomorrow?

    Only watched a few Smackdowns in the last few months and nearly dozed off during Backlash and MITB. I told myself I was gonna watch both brands all year from mania to mania but I just can't tolerate SmackDown!!
    What did you do beforehand? Smackdown was the unanimously agreed best brand up to the WrestleMania build, then it got castrated. Since WrestleMania month they've been heavily sabotaged so Raw stops looking so bad. It's not subtle at all.
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    Urgh. So WWE tries to make up for a lukewarm PPV build with shocks on the night - but they were all pointless.

    Tye Dillinger losing to Aidan English on the pre-show makes zero sense. Dillinger is a fan favourite and has potential, but WWE is saddling him with poor booking and a lack of screen time. Sure, English needs wins occasionally - but at the expense of Dillinger, in a fairly high profile match? Dillinger hasn't been on SmackDown for weeks. Having him eat a bin was really disappointing. He's the new Zack Ryder. WWE will just punish him for getting over organically.

    The idea of giving Natalya the win the Fatal 5-Way No 1 Contender's Match for Naomi's SmackDown Women's Championship was questionable at best, too. I'm a big fan of her - she's a loyal servant to the company, a capable ring hand and has always lacked a killer programme with somebody due to WWE's preference to book multi-woman matches, rather than individual female storylines. But she was the least intriguing option to win this to go onto face Naomi. Charlotte is an opponent worthy of Summerslam, and she and Naomi have unfinished business. Her and Becky Lynch not winning could mean WWE has something planned for the Four Horsewomen. I'm glad Lana wasn't victorious, but Natalya? At this point, even Tamina was a more intriguing pick as victor.

    Having Mike Kanellis lose his first PPV match to Sami Zayn was disappointing. He needs to win his first feud otherwise fans won't buy in. It's simple wrestling 101. The end to the Baron Corbin vs Shinsuke Nakamura match was mightily underwhelming, too. Sure, it protects both men but Nakamura is looking all too human on the main roster right now. He needs credibility and by being outsmarted, outmuscled by Corbin isn't it utilising his full potential.

    There was no payoff in the Breezango mystery attacker angle, as we were promised, and shifting the US Championship back to Kevin Owens after such a relatively brief reign for AJ Styles is nonsensical. The two put on a hell of a match - I'd expect nothing less - but I want to see a Styles US Open Challenge every week, personally.

    The other two matches were just a complete dud. That was no way to end a PPV. John Cena went over - as expected - in a patriotism-fuelled horror show. Rusev needs a complete character reset now - and maybe even a face turn. He's shown personality and character on Total Divas. Thing is, SmackDown lacks a killer heel right now. Rusev could be that man - if booked correctly. The Punjabi Prison match was pure dirge, too. It's so hard to watch that match on TV - something i had forgotten. The Great Khali swerve was just for the sake of it, seemingly, and I'm annoyed because this means we'll inevitably get Cena vs Mahal at Summerslam, in another "I'm a foreigner, boo me" angle. I'm very sick of WWE's jingoism at this stage. As for Orton, I have no idea where he goes from here, but I hope to god it isn't a feud with Khali. Khali was a dire dire performer.

    The tag team bout was the best of the night by some distance. Both teams looked like absolute stars and I wouldn't bet against them being future HOFers. Xavier Woods showed he could wrestle, The New Day get the belts and can carry the division going forward, it was a logical conclusion to the feud with the babyfaces going over. Win win. But the PPV itself had the weakest buildup of the year, so it's not surprising to say it fell flat.
 
 
 
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