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AQA Physics PHYA4 - Thursday 11th June 2015 [Exam Discussion Thread]

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Reply 1340
Original post by PotterPhysics
Ah of course, forgot to mention that


No worries! How's your revision going?


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Original post by CD223
No worries! How's your revision going?


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I'm memorizing the unit4 section in the cgp book. :biggrin: So far I've got gravitation, capacitors and magnetic fields. Nothing like having a book in the exam.

You?
Reply 1342
Original post by PotterPhysics
I'm memorizing the unit4 section in the cgp book. :biggrin: So far I've got gravitation, capacitors and magnetic fields. Nothing like having a book in the exam.

You?


By memorising do you mean by rote, word for word, or just revising it until it sticks?


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Original post by CD223
By memorising do you mean by rote, word for word, or just revising it until it sticks?


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Word for word for the most part. I understand most of it already but I find it helps to know the standard explanations word for word because if you rely on understanding you can miss some details when you try to reconstruct an explanation.

The only ones I don't have word for word are Newton and Coulomb's law of forces and also sections that are specifically devoted to equations such as the little section that covers F=BiL (I only memorized the definition of B there and how to use the formula) and the one right after it that derives the F=BQv formula (easy to derive so didn't memorize)
Reply 1344
Original post by PotterPhysics
Word for word for the most part. I understand most of it already but I find it helps to know the standard explanations word for word because if you rely on understanding you can miss some details when you try to reconstruct an explanation.

The only ones I don't have word for word are Newton and Coulomb's law of forces and also sections that are specifically devoted to equations such as the little section that covers F=BiL (I only memorized the definition of B there and how to use the formula) and the one right after it that derives the F=BQv formula (easy to derive so didn't memorize)


There are some where a wordy explanation of the formula will suffice. Especially F=BIL.


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Original post by CD223
Oh I see. Kinda forces people to write in prose then!


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Yeah, that is the point I think - forces people to demonstrate the language skills we're expected to have. A little weird but not as bad as AQA biology this year (very glad I dropped that after AS) - they have a 25 mark essay question on one paper which is impossible to get full marks in unless you include something relevant that isn't on the specification!
Reply 1346
Original post by Lau14
Yeah, that is the point I think - forces people to demonstrate the language skills we're expected to have. A little weird but not as bad as AQA biology this year (very glad I dropped that after AS) - they have a 25 mark essay question on one paper which is impossible to get full marks in unless you include something relevant that isn't on the specification!


That is preposterous. How can they expect you to know a relevant fact outside the spec that is related to every topic possible? :eek:
Yeah it's only something like 2-3 marks but it is totally unfair because everything in the essays has to be relevant or they can get marked down. There are two to choose from each year so I guess it's just if you get lucky :/ our college runs a session each week where they can go read articles and stuff together to try and pick up some useful bits but there's no way anyone has time to memorise it all?
Reply 1348
Original post by Lau14
Yeah it's only something like 2-3 marks but it is totally unfair because everything in the essays has to be relevant or they can get marked down. There are two to choose from each year so I guess it's just if you get lucky :/ our college runs a session each week where they can go read articles and stuff together to try and pick up some useful bits but there's no way anyone has time to memorise it all?


Sounds like I picked the better science :wink:

Do you prefer PHYA4 or PHYA5?


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Original post by CD223
There are some where a wordy explanation of the formula will suffice. Especially F=BIL.


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True, easy marks those. You just mkae everything =1 in the equation and read it off basically. But you have to remember details such as "right angled to the field". The details come from the context so these aren't hard.

Have you by any chance revised the how exam questions are worded? I tried to build up this system that would allow me to know how to answer specific questions but it got too complicated. One of them was where they ask for "expain so and so with reference to so and so".

Example from AS: Explain the threshold frequency with reference to work function.

I realized that these types of questions are basically asking you to derive the definition of the first thing from the second thing.

In the example we are trying to derive the definition of threshold frequency only using the work function. So first we have to assume that the person we are explaining it to doesn't know what a threshold frequency is, but knows what the work function is. The explanation would go something like this:

The work function is the minimum energy of photons required to remove electrons from the surface of the metal.

The energy of a photon is defined as E=hf. Therefore, if E is less than the work function, it follows (by assumption) that f is too low to remove electrons. So there is a certain frequency below which no electrons are emitted.

Not sure if that makes sense, but I was just wondering if you did any of that type of revision?
Original post by CD223
Ah right :smile: do you think they would make us comment on gravitational fields in the circular motion topic though?

Only think I can envisage is them using the gravitational formula F=GMmr2F=\frac{GMm}{r^2} and equating it to the centripetal force for a satellite?


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Sorry, I think I didn't get notification from this post.

How do you mean if they would ask us to comment?


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Original post by CD223
Sounds like I picked the better science :wink:

Do you prefer PHYA4 or PHYA5?


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Probably PHYA5 mostly - I like astro and thermal, nuclear is pretty easy. I'm not so good with magnetic fields half the time! Getting better with the multiple choice section though which is a relief, we're having a MC section test on Thursday to see how our timing is.
Reply 1352
Original post by PotterPhysics
True, easy marks those. You just mkae everything =1 in the equation and read it off basically. But you have to remember details such as "right angled to the field". The details come from the context so these aren't hard.

Have you by any chance revised the how exam questions are worded? I tried to build up this system that would allow me to know how to answer specific questions but it got too complicated. One of them was where they ask for "expain so and so with reference to so and so".

Example from AS: Explain the threshold frequency with reference to work function.

I realized that these types of questions are basically asking you to derive the definition of the first thing from the second thing.

In the example we are trying to derive the definition of threshold frequency only using the work function. So first we have to assume that the person we are explaining it to doesn't know what a threshold frequency is, but knows what the work function is. The explanation would go something like this:

The work function is the minimum energy of photons required to remove electrons from the surface of the metal.

The energy of a photon is defined as E=hf. Therefore, if E is less than the work function, it follows (by assumption) that f is too low to remove electrons. So there is a certain frequency below which no electrons are emitted.

Not sure if that makes sense, but I was just wondering if you did any of that type of revision?


Wow, I've never thought about it that deeply! I guess it goes to show that you always have to answer the question it states, not what you think it's asking without reading it properly!


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Reply 1353
Original post by Mehrdad jafari
Sorry, I think I didn't get notification from this post.

How do you mean if they would ask us to comment?


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Just that I wasn't sure if deviations in gravitational field strengths would really come into circular motion, unless considering a satellite in orbit.


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Reply 1354
Original post by Lau14
Probably PHYA5 mostly - I like astro and thermal, nuclear is pretty easy. I'm not so good with magnetic fields half the time! Getting better with the multiple choice section though which is a relief, we're having a MC section test on Thursday to see how our timing is.


Kinda wished the whole syllabus was MC!


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Original post by CD223
Kinda wished the whole syllabus was MC!


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The multiple choice section is so annoying though, you get one mark no matter how much work you have to do to get to the answer.
Reply 1356
Original post by Lau14
The multiple choice section is so annoying though, you get one mark no matter how much work you have to do to get to the answer.


That's true. I like how cheeky some questions are though - others are plain devious.


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Original post by CD223
That's true. I like how cheeky some questions are though - others are plain devious.


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You basically have to learn a whole new exam technique just for these 25 marks on one paper which takes a while as well :/ I kind of like doing them now - there's something satisfying about knowing you've probably got the right answer (well, or made one of the most likely mistakes!) and being able to guess comes in useful in the actual thing - but the timing and the distribution of marks for that section isn't really right :/
Reply 1358
Original post by Lau14
You basically have to learn a whole new exam technique just for these 25 marks on one paper which takes a while as well :/ I kind of like doing them now - there's something satisfying about knowing you've probably got the right answer (well, or made one of the most likely mistakes!) and being able to guess comes in useful in the actual thing - but the timing and the distribution of marks for that section isn't really right :/


Yeah. Do you tend to spend ~45 mins on it?


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Which section are you going to do first? I'm thinking about doing B first so I can do it while I'm more alert

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