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The war is 'officially over' even though it isn't and its safe to say that they lost the war.
The Taliban are still at large, corruption is rampant in Afghanistan, extremism will rise in that country, it will pretty much be Iraq and ISIS all over again.

Here are a few interesting numbers:
Soviet union Casualties: 14,453 Dead
Mujahideen casualties: 75,000–90,000 Dead, 75,000+ wounded

Coalition forces caualities: 14,859+ Dead
Insurgents killed:
20,000–35,000

Safe to say the Soviet Union did a much better job.
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The "Coalition Forces" also include the Afghan Army and Police which make up the vast majority of casualties with only 3,420 NATO Soldiers killed it's no wonder the Afghans took such heavy casulties because they are a bunch of ill disciplined, poorly trained, corrupt, ********s for the most part. Then you have to take into account the Allied Forces had their hands tied so to speak due to strict rules of engagement, for example if a person was spotted carrying an AK47 in the distance the NATO soldiers still weren't allowed to shoot him they had to wait to be shot at first. The NATO mission was supposed to be one of "hearts and minds" they couldn't really go on the offensive too much.

Meanwhile the Soviet Union of the 1980's really didn't give a **** they would just take out anyone who got in their way if need be they are less concerned with their enemies human rights than we are.
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The "Coalition Forces" also include the Afghan Army and Police which make up the vast majority of casualties with only 3,420 NATO Soldiers killed it's no wonder the Afghans took such heavy casulties because they are a bunch of ill disciplined, poorly trained, corrupt, ********s for the most part. Then you have to take into account the Allied Forces had their hands tied so to speak due to strict rules of engagement, for example if a raghead was spotted carrying an AK47 in the distance the NATO soldiers still weren't allowed to shoot him they had to wait to be shot at first. The NATO mission was supposed to be one of "hearts and minds" they couldn't really go on the offensive too much.

Meanwhile the Soviet Union of the 1980's really didn't give a **** they would just take out anyone who got in their way if need be they are less concerned with their enemies human rights than we are.
lolol says the people who torture.
We all saw the videos released by manning and wiki leaks, the coalition forces looked so concerned whilst laughing and gunning down innocents.
Wow those indiscriminate drone strikes which make more terrorists than they kill are really strict rules of engagement.
The use of depleted uranium is so thoughtful of you, now people have cancer and mutated still borns. YAY!
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They'll always be war

I don't see the point of trying to discuss it
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(Original post by Lionheart96)
The war is 'officially over' even though it isn't and its safe to say that they lost the war.
The Taliban are still at large, corruption is rampant in Afghanistan, extremism will rise in that country, it will pretty much be Iraq and ISIS all over again.

Here are a few interesting numbers:
Soviet union Casualties: 14,453 Dead
Mujahideen casualties: 75,000–90,000 Dead, 75,000+ wounded

Coalition forces caualities: 14,859+ Dead
Insurgents killed:
20,000–35,000

Safe to say the Soviet Union did a much better job.
With the exception of your numbers being way out. I have to ask what your input was?
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They'll always be war

I don't see the point of trying to discuss it
It's sometimes good to talk.
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(Original post by zKlown)
They'll always be war

I don't see the point of trying to discuss it
To prove you wrong some day.
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With the exception of your numbers being way out. I have to ask what your input was?
Don't bother engaging with it, you went get anything close to sense.
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The Soviet Union did a better job? Lol wut? They are part of the reason the country was such a state in the first place. That and wars aren't generally won or lost by how many you kill or lose.
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To prove you wrong some day.
Never.

Human nature dictates
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The war was won within a month. What we've lost is the occupation/peace largely because we obey rules relating to just war.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
The war was won within a month. What we've lost is the occupation/peace largely because we obey rules relating to just war.
A set of rules designed for war between nation states, which is part of the problem.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
The war was won within a month. What we've lost is the occupation/peace largely because we obey rules relating to just war.
We haven't Rakas though. We seem to feel that we've lost because we weren't able to do the modern day equivalent of walking the. Defeated Taliban in chains through Kabul.

I understand the fraud rations that there's been no definitive, decisive battle won or lost.

But pick any measure of humanity and Afghanistan is better for us being there.
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We haven't Rakas though. We seem to feel that we've lost because we weren't able to do the modern day equivalent of walking the. Defeated Taliban in chains through Kabul.

I understand the fraud rations that there's been no definitive, decisive battle won or lost.

But pick any measure of humanity and Afghanistan is better for us being there.
Lost was probably too strong a word. I agree that its a better place.
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Life expectancy and the number of people going to school in Afganistan have shot up hugely while we were there. There is some sort of government and army to control things. Seems like a victory to me.
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Life expectancy and the number of people going to school in Afganistan have shot up hugely while we were there. There is some sort of government and army to control things. Seems like a victory to me.
For now.
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My thoughts on the matter

That said, just because we're not "at war" with the Taliban doesn't mean the people in Afghanistan are at peace. To them they're in a permanent state of war.
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(Original post by Lionheart96)
The war is 'officially over' even though it isn't and its safe to say that they lost the war.
The Taliban are still at large, corruption is rampant in Afghanistan, extremism will rise in that country, it will pretty much be Iraq and ISIS all over again.

Here are a few interesting numbers:
Soviet union Casualties: 14,453 Dead
Mujahideen casualties: 75,000–90,000 Dead, 75,000+ wounded

Coalition forces caualities: 14,859+ Dead
Insurgents killed:
20,000–35,000

Safe to say the Soviet Union did a much better job.
The Soviet Union were fighting to set up a tyranny. At least the West were fighting to set up a democracy, even if they failed.

Regardless, they should have kept troops there. Withdrawing at this stage is counter-productive. 99% of the Afghan population still believe in Sharia law. Safe to say there will be no minority rights there for a very long time.
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The Soviet Union were fighting to set up a tyranny. At least the West were fighting to set up a democracy, even if they failed.

Regardless, they should have kept troops there. Withdrawing at this stage is counter-productive. 99% of the Afghan population still believe in Sharia law. Safe to say there will be no minority rights there for a very long time.
Not quiet. As a bordering state to the USSR , the soviets were always keen to keep an eye on AFG. Following the collPse of the shah in Iran and the crazies taking over, an afghan armoured regiment in Herat went rogue, aligned itself with ayatollah Homanie and killed its soviet advisors.
Fearing a islamic bat **** crazy state on its doorstep that in turn could create an Islamic Revolution in Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, the soviets rolled in to support the regime.

Withdrawing now isn't counter productive. Afghans, like most followers of a certain religion are lazy and follow an Inshalla approach to life

Without Western support, we'll see the afghans standing up and fighting or themselves.
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Not quiet. As a bordering state to the USSR , the soviets were always keen to keep an eye on AFG. Following the collPse of the shah in Iran and the crazies taking over, an afghan armoured regiment in Herat went rogue, aligned itself with ayatollah Homanie and killed its soviet advisors.
Fearing a islamic bat **** crazy state on its doorstep that in turn could create an Islamic Revolution in Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, the soviets rolled in to support the regime.

Withdrawing now isn't counter productive. Afghans, like most followers of a certain religion are lazy and follow an Inshalla approach to life

Without Western support, we'll see the afghans standing up and fighting or themselves.
The regime the Soviets were backing was probably better than what the Mujahideen created, but it wasn't exactly free, was it.

Given the many disturbing reports of Afghan soldiers turning to the enemy, I think you're being a little over-optimistic.
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