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    (Original post by chughes17)
    Could stick a prove s^2 is an unbiased estimator of sigma^2 into S1, as you have everything taught that you need in the S1 textbook (Var=Ex^2-(Ex)^2), i mean all you have to do it think about it properly really.


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    Yes. All you really need to do is think a little. I might apply to write the S1 papers. Give them some thinking to do.
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    (Original post by tggfootymad)
    No need for all this rubbish about "I understand the educational value" and "I understand that you may be very busy". If everyone writes such a long-winded email they wiill ignore them! Just say directly that you sat the paper this year, found it to be much much harder than usual, despite strong preparation and having done all the past papers etc, and am writing so that this can be taken into account with the grade boundaries.
    Do you think going to court and shouting "i'm innocent!!!" would suffice to convince a judge? In the same vein, saying "the exam was REALLY HARD!" is no argument. It's an entirely subjective statement, utterly negligible. However, saying it required more thought than other papers for the same period of time, is still subjective but more reasonable.
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    Cannot believe this
    Gone44 is right
    This is a test and tests are sometimes supposed to be hard
    No point emailing
    If most have not done well then grade boundaries will drop
    No need to patronise anyone

    As i said before why spoil the rest of your exams
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    (Original post by AQUF42)
    Cannot believe this
    Gone44 is right
    This is a test and tests are sometimes supposed to be hard
    No point emailing
    If most have not done well then grade boundaries will drop
    No need to patronise anyone

    As i said before why spoil the rest of your exams
    I'm guessing you were able to answer question 5d
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    (Original post by AQUF42)
    Cannot believe this
    Gone44 is right
    This is a test and tests are sometimes supposed to be hard
    No point emailing
    If most have not done well then grade boundaries will drop
    No need to patronise anyone

    As i said before why spoil the rest of your exams
    'sometimes' supposed to be hard.

    This is the issue....

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    (Original post by chughes17)
    'sometimes' supposed to be hard.

    This is the issue....

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    Yes. All the other papers have been easy (relative to the one we sat). Edexcel chose for this year to be difficult. Exams are supposed to test your understanding, not see whether you can regurgitate a solution
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    (Original post by Gome44)
    Yes. All the other papers have been easy (relative to the one we sat). Edexcel chose for this year to be difficult. Exams are supposed to test your understanding, not see whether you can regurgitate a solution
    Yeah I actually do agree with you, but I still think there's nothing wrong with letting Edexcel know how comparatively difficult it was. I also still don't agree with 5d, I get it, and if there was even a yellow box in the book explaining this property of it then it would be fair, but there isn't. I just honestly did not think you could do that. That's all. I do agree with you on the whole though, the rest of the paper was a lot harder than previous years but you could apply what was in the textbook in a different way. With 5d, in my opinion, it wasn't made clear enough in the textbook for most to be able to apply their knowledge.


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    (Original post by Gome44)
    Yes. All the other papers have been easy (relative to the one we sat). Edexcel chose for this year to be difficult. Exams are supposed to test your understanding, not see whether you can regurgitate a solution
    The issue is that none of the previous exams tested understanding particularly well
    Edexcel did their job better this year and frankly despite the fact they could "deprive" (obviously I am not entitled to it) me of a high grade it's in one sense refreshing to see a genuinely testing exam, but you can see why people consider it "unfair": the cohorts of the past several years had relatively easy exams. You can make the argument that grade boundaries will solve these issues, but the problem is that such a random difficulty spike can have a much more profound effect on exam performance, which may make an a/a* candidate (had they sat the paper any other year) crumble and end up with a mark that does not reflect their skill level relative to all the other students in past years who weren't put through such an exam

    edit: sorry, obviously didn't read your message very properly/thoroughly since I just rephrased what you said half the time but the latter points stand
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    (Original post by TabulaSmaragdina)
    Do you think going to court and shouting "i'm innocent!!!" would suffice to convince a judge? In the same vein, saying "the exam was REALLY HARD!" is no argument. It's an entirely subjective statement, utterly negligible. However, saying it required more thought than other papers for the same period of time, is still subjective but more reasonable.
    You're not convincing Edexcel here. Saying that the paper required more thought than others in the same time is not a persuasive argument that will make them think, "Gee, now we really are convinced". The whole point is to simply inform them, and if enough people do that, THEN they will be convinced. The convincing thing for them is not the quality of argument and persuasion - which they will ignore - but the number of people that write in to tell them it was hard.
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    The issue is that none of the previous exams tested understanding particularly well
    Edexcel did their job better this year and frankly despite the fact they could "deprive" (obviously I am not entitled to it) me of a high grade it's in one sense refreshing to see a genuinely testing exam, but you can see why people consider it "unfair": the cohorts of the past several years had relatively easy exams. You can make the argument that grade boundaries will solve these issues, but the problem is that such a random difficulty spike can have a much more profound effect on exam performance, which may make an a/a* candidate (had they sat the paper any other year) crumble and end up with a mark that does not reflect their skill level relative to all the other students in past years who weren't put through such an exam

    edit: sorry, obviously didn't read your message very properly/thoroughly since I just rephrased what you said half the time but the latter points stand
    Yes. It's stupid that most years the papers are so easy that you need 70/75 to get an A*. Further maths is supposed to challenge the brightest, but such high grade boundaries show that that hasn't been happening. So I agree with harder exams, just not unexpectedly and harder out of the blue.
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    i really hope fp2 isn't like this :s

    (also guys, lets move on to the fp2 thread now!! remember, focus on what you can do to make up for S3 )
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    XKay

    Its not about individuals
    I am the parent but my sin said it was hard but was not moaning about it
    He took that in his stride and said he should get around 67
    Normally during practice he never got less than 72 or 73 but since it was a tough paper he will not achieve that

    But he will not keep moaning about it and start emailing edexcel
    He is working hard for his next exam

    This is just an exam and you are all about to face more trickier situations on life which will be much harder than S3

    So move on please
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    (Original post by AQUF42)
    XKay

    Its not about individuals
    I am the parent but my sin said it was hard but was not moaning about it
    He took that in his stride and said he should get around 67
    Normally during practice he never got less than 72 or 73 but since it was a tough paper he will not achieve that

    But he will not keep moaning about it and start emailing edexcel
    He is working hard for his next exam

    This is just an exam and you are all about to face more trickier situations on life which will be much harder than S3

    So move on please
    The reason why your son is taking it in his stride is because he is more likely to get an A* with 67, any lower i can guarantee he would have been moaning like the rest of us.(I, too, was getting 72-73 marks in past papers).

    And please don't lecture me about life.
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    (Original post by AQUF42)
    XKay

    Its not about individuals
    I am the parent but my sin said it was hard but was not moaning about it
    He took that in his stride and said he should get around 67
    Normally during practice he never got less than 72 or 73 but since it was a tough paper he will not achieve that

    But he will not keep moaning about it and start emailing edexcel
    He is working hard for his next exam

    This is just an exam and you are all about to face more trickier situations on life which will be much harder than S3

    So move on please
    With all due respect, you did not sit the exam thus you don't really have a right to tell us to 'stop moaning' or 'move on'. Ultimately, this is the 'student' room so why you even have an account in order to speak about your son is beyond me.
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    He will be happy with below 65 as well
    Not lecturing anyone
    But it seems like a broken record
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    (Original post by AQUF42)
    He will be happy with below 65 as well
    Not lecturing anyone
    But it seems like a broken record
    If you just come on this thread, flaunt your son's relative success and tell people to move on repeatedly I wonder why you don't stop following the thread. It seems like you don't have anything to gain from it and are just antagonising students who have felt their futures have taken a bit of a hit. Yes it probably is not a big thing in the grand scheme of things but you really shouldn't rub salt in a wound, so to speak.
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    Apologies if i have hurt anyone
    You will still do well as nothing is end
    of the world
    This is just the beginning of better things to come for all of you
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Daxi1ylA11M

    thought I'll lighten up the mood a bit...
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    (Original post by llIllIllIllI)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Daxi1ylA11M

    thought I'll lighten up the mood a bit...
    Knew someone had to make one eventually.. good job

    Although I'd like to see Hitler go on a rant about the kids picking colours in the circle
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    That was very funny
    Thats the spirit
    Well done
 
 
 
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