Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white

However, on a more sensible note, out of all the murders that have occurred between '95 and '04, for only 58 to be racial is surely a strong sign that multiculturalism, in whatever incarnation we're practicing it, works.

Lol it hardly shows that multiculturism works. It shows that most of the UK public, aswell as immigrants, don't go around murdering people because they don't believe in multiculturism

True, true. The fact that people aren't murdering each other for racial reasons... very much... hardly shows that multiculturalism is working well.

Care to explain your payback comment?

Payback from a time in the 70'/80's when most crimes were probably against asians/black? I'm sure there are a lot of people out there with pent up aggression (which may or may not be a factor in these crimes specifically)

Most of the current perpetrators weren't even alive at that point, so the notion that they should have some sort of deep seated grudge due to personal experience is odd.

if you look at the kriss donald case there is an indication that there was some kind of racial altercation the night before - i seriously doubt these guys just randomly decided to kill this boy because he was white - probably after a build up of hatred for white people.

Clearly they have amassed a hatred for white people - that's implicit in the fact it was a racially motivated murder. So what?

My payback comment was that the people who commited those murders probably did so because they had ammassed a hatred for white people - therefore it was payback for attacks on other people of their race/colour or on them. Does that explain my comment? It can even be shown in the Kriss Donald case in the space of 24 hours.

I also know a few people who generally do not trust white people/hate them - not because they have every recieved a racist attack from them but just going on past experiences and experiences of their friends - so my past based on the 70/80's comment isn't totally irrelevant - maybe just needs to be brought upto date.

So when you say "Payback" what you mean is "an attack on an innocent third party based on his/her ethnicity due to a perceived injustice or mistreatment of someone of the same race as the actor (often years previously and not the actor himself/herself) and built up racism due to mass generalisations akin to "I got robbed by a black man, therefore I don't trust any of them'"?

Yeah... I suppose I can get onboard with that.

And for your "friends" who "hate" white people because of something they or someone they know experienced at the hands of someone of that race, ask them if I, who have suffered some violence and much abuse for being white in a non-white country, should therefore paint all black people with the same brush?

So when you say "Payback" what you mean is "an attack on an innocent third party based on his/her ethnicity due to a perceived injustice or mistreatment of someone of the same race as the actor (often years previously and not the actor himself/herself) and built up racism due to mass generalisations akin to "I got robbed by a black man, therefore I don't trust any of them'"?

Yeah... I suppose I can get onboard with that.

And for your "friends" who "hate" white people because of something they or someone they know experienced at the hands of someone of that race, ask them if I, who have suffered some violence and much abuse for being white in a non-white country, should therefore paint all black people with the same brush?

1) Yes, in some cases. We don't know the details of all of these murder cases. But I am 100% sure there are people out there who feel aggrieved with white people because they have been victims of racist attacks themselves (and so have 'their people') and have pretty much ended up being racists themselves.

I am sure there are SOME. I am also sure that there are white racists who are such due to suffering racism at the hands of other ethnic groups.

What's your point?

This whole notion of "my people" and "your people" based on race is idiotic, and despite being essentially inherently racist most of the time, is somehow seen as acceptable.



You doubt they were? On what basis?



relative to the rest of the world the UK's race problem is mild to say the least.



And not one of them will have an answer that both avoids hypocrisy and concurrently doesnt condone such a position.

I know some people who came here in the 70's (all nice people) they came to work in the factories - they were not racists but suffered some of the most blatant racists that you can imagine

1) Yes, in some cases. We don't know the details of all of these murder cases. But I am 100% sure there are people out there who feel aggrieved with white people because they have been victims of racist attacks themselves (and so have 'their people') and have pretty much ended up being racists themselves.

2) Well I can ask them.

The ideology of racism is, sadly, infectious. Of course, many racist assaults against ethnic minorities are not reported because the police are institutionally racist.

Racism, of any kind, is so fecking moronic.

Oswy.

Nearly half the victims from racial numbers being white, doesn't mean a lot.
As someone already said, 90% of the population is white anyway, so it's not shocking to hear, just as it's not shocking to hear how many white people are in prison.

How do you know they're all specifically racial murders? Does it actually say they're pure racist murders? It just says race played a key part.

Maybe in the case of a white murdering a black there are more reasons - maybe race was one of them - but it could only be one factor - i.e maybe a drunken fight in the pub or somehting.

How do you know for example a white wasn't racist to an asian who then retaliated?

Statistics are not such a great help unlesss we have a little more info in this case IMO.

its exactly the same the other way around though. I went to an inner city comprehensive with loads of black kids and nearly all the white kids who entered it were good little PC robots and first, but at the end many had developed racist views because of the way we were treated there. Its a two way street, and anti-white racism is probably way more common nowadays. Only one of the blacks that I know is a victim of racism (and I have met quite a few), whilst I would be very hard pushed to find a white person who has not been threatened/attacked/verbally abused by a black