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    (Original post by vapid slut magician)
    yup
    * Is proud of GCSE-level history of art * :proud:
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    god I wish I'd never brought it up. no one cares about evolution, it's happened now.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    I assumed it was (at least in part) because taller people are more attractive. I saw a study a while ago saying taller people are more likely to have children, though I appreciate health improvements will account for a lot.


    True. My point with that was that we weren't evolutionarily stable, though it was badly put (the natural selection comment I put in after and shouldn't have).


    Very interesting. However from what I understand, statistically, some things are far more common, even just the initial mutation, than randomness would suggest. Eyes were one example I'd read about, with evolutionarily-distinct areas and species all developing them. Even if there are only certain ways they can develop, that still wouldn't explain why that particular initial mutation happened so often. However advantageous, there's got to be an original mutation for natural selection to come into play.

    I'm not arguing that there's a force guiding it, just that, from my limited knowledge, there's little evidence to show it's actually random.
    The most recent estimate is that height is at least 90% related to environmental factors. Oddly, we might start getting more shorter women, as being better fed means you hit puberty sooner, and your growth plates fuse earlier. Don't think this relationship holds in men.

    Re. eyes: I think it's more likely that other mutations don't result eyes, or don't result in such efficient eyes. So you'd only see the mutation that conveyed the biggest selection advantage. Just because you don't see something in species alive today doesn't mean it didn't happen and fail, or get outcompeted, hundreds of times over in the last blargh million years.

    In the terms of the human life span, mutation is a rare event. In bacteria, it's very common in there lifespan and ours. In evolutionary time, mutations happen constantly. If you roll enough evolutionary dice, and roll them often enough, you'd expect to get identical runs of, say, sixes, especially if certain other runs of numbers weren't possible. I think Morbo explained this better further back in the thread.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    Or a combination of both. Or indeed a simple "we don't know", since there may be things beyond ourn imagination.


    Yes, ish. The random number plates is because there's so many of them. Hitting something one-in-a-billion with a billion tries isn't that unlikely. Hitting some specific mutations multiple times may be (and I've seen biologists argue as such) many orders of magnitude more unlikely than the billions of mutations that have happened.
    But that's a totally fallacious argument. It's not a 1 in a billion chance happening after 1 billion tries. It's like a 1 in a billion chance happening after a trillion tries.

    As an analogy, evolution could tell you why, if "Lo5er" came out randomly, it'd be more likely to be kept, but it cannot tell you why "Lo5er" is more likely to be chosen in the first place. Randomness was assumed as it was assumed most things were random in Darwin's day. We know now they're not. Why should mutations be random when almost nothing else is?
    Because, unlike how the rest of the world seems to think it happens, mutations don't mainly happen as a result of UV or carcinogens - they happen naturally every time your DNA gets copied, and it's only because of sexy enzymes that the mistakes get made right. Then there's the whole business of how many of those mutations are actually repeated sequences increasing in number of repeats.

    At any rate, this isn't an argument I should get into - I'll get *****y.
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    :>.<: I'm scuttling back to the PPE thread. Tell me when it's safe to come out...
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    (Original post by Mrs Carrothead)
    :>.<: I'm scuttling back to the PPE thread. Tell me when it's safe to come out...
    hopefully it's safe now.
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    Here's a scientific question for you. Why do they make pink/purple/any colour other than yellow highlighters, when when you use them, they seep through the page and highlight the next umpteenth pages of your book? Do they not TEST these things?:confused:
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    (Original post by Mrs Carrothead)
    Here's a scientific question for you. Why do they make pink/purple/any colour other than yellow highlighters, when when you use them, they seep through the page and highlight the next umpteenth pages of your book? Do they not TEST these things?:confused:
    because pink is cool. qed.
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    (Original post by Mrs Carrothead)
    Here's a scientific question for you. Why do they make pink/purple/any colour other than yellow highlighters, when when you use them, they seep through the page and highlight the next umpteenth pages of your book? Do they not TEST these things?:confused:
    Yes, but yellow ones make your eyes bleed. Well, mine anyway.
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    (Original post by vapid slut magician)
    because pink is cool. qed.
    That is true. Curse your superior logic :p:. I'm getting bogged down in the question of whether immorality is actually morality. Delightful.

    Also, pondering why nothing's on TV in America this week or next. Urgh.

    I have also come to the contentious conclusion that Socrates was really a bit of an arrogant *****.
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    (Original post by Mrs Carrothead)
    That is true. Curse your superior logic :p:. I'm getting bogged down in the question of whether immorality is actually morality. Delightful.

    Also, pondering why nothing's on TV in America this week or next. Urgh.

    I have also come to the contentious conclusion that Socrates was really a bit of an arrogant *****.
    Fun times. Wasn't Rasputin's life philosophy that you had to experience every sin to move past it, or something equally dodgy?

    Fun times in my tutorial earlier. I've chosen an option on linguistics (neurolinguistics last term, sociolinguistics this term), and the (German) tutor asks "So, do any of you speak any other languages?" Tute partner no. 1: "Natively, German, but also English, French, Spanish, Portugese, and an African dialect." Tute partner no. 2 "Oh, I was born in Germany, so I speak some, and French and English." Tute partner no. 3 "I'm fluent in Hebrew and Arabic, English, and also Welsh." Me: "Er, I have French AS level and German GCSE..."

    Why don't BBC have Damages yet; won't is Channel 4 behind with ER, and why did they stop the most recent series of Desperate Housewives at a stupid point mid-way through the series; why isn't Gossip Girl on ITV Catch Up? :bawling:
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    I've been told I can do a research project with the person I *really* want to.....I just need to find out where to get the money for a project that long. :bawling: It's also the least useful person I could do one with as it does nothing for my lab requirement!
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    (Original post by tarnishedpenny)
    I've been told I can do a research project with the person I *really* want to.....I just need to find out where to get the money for a project that long. :bawling: It's also the least useful person I could do one with as it does nothing for my lab requirement!
    Wellcome Trust and/or research councils. A certain Hertford chemist is applying to some funding body, he might have suggestions
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    (Original post by Athena)
    Fun times. Wasn't Rasputin's life philosophy that you had to experience every sin to move past it, or something equally dodgy?

    Fun times in my tutorial earlier. I've chosen an option on linguistics (neurolinguistics last term, sociolinguistics this term), and the (German) tutor asks "So, do any of you speak any other languages?" Tute partner no. 1: "Natively, German, but also English, French, Spanish, Portugese, and an African dialect." Tute partner no. 2 "Oh, I was born in Germany, so I speak some, and French and English." Tute partner no. 3 "I'm fluent in Hebrew and Arabic, English, and also Welsh." Me: "Er, I have French AS level and German GCSE..."

    Why don't BBC have Damages yet; won't is Channel 4 behind with ER, and why did they stop the most recent series of Desperate Housewives at a stupid point mid-way through the series; why isn't Gossip Girl on ITV Catch Up? :bawling:
    1) What is this 'Damages' if which you speak? Anything good?

    2) I don't know, I watch ER on :ninja:. You need DivX but quality is much much better and it's up to US date

    3) I have no idea, that was really weird. And they advertised it as THE END, which was odd too, considering the series is still going on. I think they're still ****** from the writers' strike or something. That's usually their excuse.

    4) Is it not? I thought it was. Once again :ninja:. It is the answer to all your problems.
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    (Original post by tarnishedpenny)
    I've been told I can do a research project with the person I *really* want to.....I just need to find out where to get the money for a project that long. :bawling: It's also the least useful person I could do one with as it does nothing for my lab requirement!
    Someone outside of the department? It's worth double-checking with Cartwright... you might get some credit, if there's anything vaguely chemical in it.
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    Ooh... and the Nuffield Foundation... they funded me last summer.
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    (Original post by Mrs Carrothead)
    1) What is this 'Damages' if which you speak? Anything good?

    2) I don't know, I watch ER on :ninja:. You need DivX but quality is much much better and it's up to US date

    3) I have no idea, that was really weird. And they advertised it as THE END, which was odd too, considering the series is still going on. I think they're still ****** from the writers' strike or something. That's usually their excuse.

    4) Is it not? I thought it was. Once again :ninja:. It is the answer to all your problems.
    Damages has Glenn Close as this creepy attorney who manipulates every aspect of every case she's involved in. the first series starts with a girl running down the street, covered in blood. I'm not sure, in the first episode, you even find out who the blood belongs to. Basically, you get the story in tiny pieces, moving forward bit by bit. The start of the second season is an unknown someone being held at gunpoint. It's cool, catch up with the first season.

    EDIT: Woo, Gossip Girl! Clothes and lifestyle porn :teeth:
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    (Original post by Athena)
    Damages has Glenn Close as this creepy attorney who manipulates every aspect of every case she's involved in. the first series starts with a girl running down the street, covered in blood. I'm not sure, in the first episode, you even find out who the blood belongs to. Basically, you get the story in tiny pieces, moving forward bit by bit. The start of the second season is an unknown someone being held at gunpoint. It's cool, catch up with the first season.

    EDIT: Woo, Gossip Girl! Clothes and lifestyle porn :teeth:
    I think I have watched this late late at night on the BBC when I'm at home and have nothing to do except drink and watch terrestrial television. Once again, all I can say is use :ninja:. It has Damages too I believe....
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    (Original post by Athena)
    Damages has Glenn Close as this creepy attorney who manipulates every aspect of every case she's involved in. the first series starts with a girl running down the street, covered in blood. I'm not sure, in the first episode, you even find out who the blood belongs to. Basically, you get the story in tiny pieces, moving forward bit by bit. The start of the second season is an unknown someone being held at gunpoint. It's cool, catch up with the first season.

    EDIT: Woo, Gossip Girl! Clothes and lifestyle porn :teeth:
    I only ever saw the first episode of the first season... because it was free on iTunes :p:
    It's worth watching, then?
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    (Original post by cpchem)
    I only ever saw the first episode of the first season... because it was free on iTunes :p:
    It's worth watching, then?
    It's rather trashy and hilarious. Everyone's so *****y and American i.e. faux 'upper class'. A little OCish, but that's because it's done by Josh Schwartz, but better I think .
 
 
 
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