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Original post by hellodave5
Metal. Good choice. I'm quite... a fan. Any music that is good, really. Though not of the really really heavy stuff which they look like. But yeah...

In a course module on... influence and manipulation methods at uni, we looked a little at globalisation and power (though I know very little of sociology, more focused on biology generally).
I remember reading that through globalisation specific sub-cultures can gain in influence through commercialisation of the sub-culture. For instance, Chinese is big here, and there is stuff like China town.
The fact that we have that is enriching, because it adds variation to our culture, whilst still significantly retaining our own. Similarly our own cultural influence is 'advertised' if you like, through the products of our own culture... umm... Football, class, our vast history etc.

I'm not fond of our culture: having to sit and watch XFactor or Deal or No Deal because it is on TV, or listen to people talking about football because it is simply the given thing to have an interest in for a guy. Multiculturalism isn't anything to do with it, for me.
Though what constitutes society as a whole currently is out of my reach. I like to blame people like 'Nicki Minaj', though probably just a 'symptom' of our culture, but she does a good job in... keeping it up, so to speak.

I find our multiculturalism an enhancement of our own civilisation: other cultures giving us what they have to offer: amazing food, festivities, activities, languages, and so forth. I would hate to only know the English way, and I like to be reminded of the rest of the worlds existence in my daily life.


Yes, the fact that you equate consumerism, hedonism and mindless television-viewing with our culture is exactly why today's state of affairs is so dire; all the foreign cultures that are here are genuine cultures each with histories of their own, origins, whereas all we are fed by the system is a prolefeed to keep us subdued and braindead, to keep us putting money into the pot, so to speak; it is nothing other than meaningless entertainment to uphold the lives of the elite and celebrity profligates. How can our indigenous ways survive if people have to attend reenactment societies, watch fruitloops on YouTube, so to speak, or read historical literature in order to learn about them? Most people do not have the time or patience to do such things; if our indigenous culture was inescapable, all around us, as the artificial culture and the foreign cultures are, then people would be well acquainted with it. If I want to learn about Chinese culture, I shall go to China as a tourist; and if I want to learn about Indian culture, I shall go to India as a tourist. I do not want them as integral parts of Britain because they are not British whatsoever; I oppose this idea that Britain being a globalist entity is somehow a good thing. A state that does not unify a people around at least the same culture which has a history to it is a waste of time. If I was forced to be subjected to this continuation of the way things are in this country, I would become an anarchist because this Britain is not British; today's Britian is merely a product, a service to be bought and sold, a corporation with its wage-slaves and masters. But because I am not a defeatist, and I want my children to inherit what I have seen only in literature, history books and on the internet, I am a traditionalist and an ethnonationalist; and if this offends some people or hinders them, then I quite simply couldn't care less. The future propagated by Left-wingers of economically/socially Marxian globalist “utopias” is a slave-state of no spiritual value to me whatsoever, and thus I shall oppose globalism and communism in all the hideous forms in which it may find itself manifested if necessary to the death. If the population-level wasn't so great and nuclear-armed states didn't exist, I'd be a proponent of tribalism and just leave you all to it. But if my people are to survive, it shall only be through cultured, homogenous, traditionally-valued, non-usurous states.

Nicki Minaj, pop culture, rap music, partying, drugs, “free love”, multiculturalism, misanthropy, and so on, are the product of egalitarianism implemented within capitalist parameters; they are the product of something called Cultural Marxism.

I want to be surrounded by British culture, with European culture where relevant (we have a very intertwined history), instead of every culture in the world, and all of the artificial, rootless capitalist crap, but my own culture.

The Left-Right spectrum is inadequate as I am opposed to both capitalism and communism; I am a distributist. This third strand, third way, or third approach to politics is collectively referred to as the “Third Position”.

Original post by iamsuperwoman
Look at this fool. My SJ (Mum) is as white upper middle class as it gets. Grandpa is an "eton goon" who has been matching his socks and tie longer than your mother's pubic hair. (LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL) and let me tell you as a half arab baby, it is YOU who wants to live harmoniously among us in "our" land.

*drops mic* Vote UKIP if you want, get "us" kicked out but I am probably more "white" than you.


What are you on about?

We should all make an effort to be accepting of other cultures. It is not a case of us and them.

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Original post by mojojojo101
A lot of the time I don't feel at home, safe or welcome where I live and I was born in Britain sp what it must be like for others like yourself I don't dare imagine.

OP: Did no one in the shop tell these guys to stop or did they just carry on with their days like everything was normal???


Nobody gave a damn,they probably thought I deserved it given what had happened in Paris that day.
wow this thread is literally killing braincells.
Original post by Foo.mp3
I think it’s a tad unfortunate/amusing that you forgot about that particular ‘white conquest’, when you made your former statement, that’s all; the Afghan/Iarq wars themselves were clearly no laughing matter :rolleyes:

When you look at the data it is mostly unskilled/semi-skilled industries in which immigrants do indeed take their jobs/lower wages, hence white working class; as for strain on services, this impacts disproportionately on less affluent individuals (as the highest end users of said services).

If you have an understanding of such services (including 'housing services'), and I do, and you investigate the date, and I have, you find that immigrants do indeed place pressure on services across the board (whilst also easing strain in the labour market in some sectors, it is fair to say)

Or they’re just bigoted/xenophobic, or looking for something to help define their identity/bond them to others, in many cases :beard:

Yup, although Egyptians weren’t characterised as being ‘black’/African, as such, more like Eastern

No, but if your objective is unity, rather than division, you have to be careful what you teach kids I suppose, the state education system is geared towards breaking down the idea of ‘us and them’

This is true, and is something that has featured in BBC documentary making in the past decade or so, here in the UK :smile:

It’s a difficult one, because the French are a very proud people, and again you are trying to encourage ‘unity’, but it’s a sign of the strength of a nation to be able to admit to, learn from, and teach about, historic mistakes. You don’t do this to appease a particular population, however, you do it with higher ideals in mind

No, I mean people from any other civilisation that demonstrates sufficient ‘friction’ with our own. This includes the Muslim world, for sure, but is not limited to it imo

It is my country, but it is also the country of non-white Britons, and we are a Democracy (the problem being that we have never given a Democratic mandate to anyone to engage in the immigration folly we have seen in recent decades)

They can worry if they like not sure what your point was/how this is this relevant to our discussion? Were you talking about this in relation to my comments on ‘major friction’ a la inter-civilisational mixing?

Sure it hasn’t totally failed, as in civilisation hasn’t fallen, but you’ll find very few indigenous people in developed nations like France and the UK who feel that it has been a success. It hasn’t been properly thought through, planned, phased in, or managed

Secularism relates to Government, not general public sentiment. I agree that a lot of this (the OP’s experience is indicative of this) is entirely unjustified and repulsive, however the Muslim community does have real issues to content with (that’s me putting it nicely)

Wow, what a guy :unimpressed:

Sound like a great bunch of guys :h:

That wasn’t very Christian of you, you should have ‘turned the other cheek’ and left, the moment the fool opened his big mouth. Also, ladies do not spit, please refrain

I was seeing her back home, whilst at uni, so somewhere between a relationship and a fling. She was half American half Iranian, and quite a character! (Cali cheer chick)

Source? :wink:

Kind of just defeated your own original argument there sport :u:

I am? :bhangra: :horse: :bandit: :borat: :awesome:


I'm usually tolerant of most things but if you ever slander my parents or my culture or anyone I love in general,then you will have to pay a heavy price..

lol I thought she was just 'for fun' didn't realise you actually dated her for some time :tongue: and having one half exotic girlfriend doesn't count hahah. Still plenty of experience with Middle Eastern type girls to be had,mister foo.

Plenty of sources,in general they rarely last.

I am not them though and may or may not end up marrying a European but im happy for them,let's just hope they don't lose their arab identity :tongue:

You can be..shall I put your name down on the list? you'll be the first on there :tongue:
Original post by Tom_Ford
Threatened to beat a Frenchman before, typical snooty Parisian in London. They go on about France being great but all decide to **** off to London to literally take our jobs. Not our fault that France is a socialist hellhole led by a communist. Friend of a friend, I did not like how they act better than everyone in general, I don't see the big deal with them. They just smoke a lot and stand around trying to look cool. But anyway, he was being rude to everyone and looking down his nose at people. I started threatening him and he went over to our mutual friend and said "Your friend is being aggressive" :rolleyes: and that got me even more pissed off because he was not prepared to fight me. I probably should not have, but then I proceeded to give him abuse on the phone the next day because I just did not like the guy, yes I called him a lot of homophobic and anti-French names but he was all like "I surrendeeuurrr". At least, he did not dare stand up to me. That is what strikes me about these French lads in London, once you call them out they crumble like a sack of dauphinoise.
Not saying that would happen with a lad from the banlieue because a guy like that would be up for defending his own honour, but a lot of these white Parisian guys are just your typical armchair racists. Problem is when you meat the French version of the white chav, of which there are many... now thats a new level of bigot and stupid.


No wonder why people say "Parigo tête de veau, Parisien tête de chien" :biggrin:

Another word for white french chavs is "beauf" (you can use "bidochon" as well but that's me personally).
My neighbours were of that type and you heard everything they said. They can't even speak their own language properly. Thank god they're gone.
Original post by queen-bee
Nobody gave a damn,they probably thought I deserved it given what had happened in Paris that day.


Tbh the attitude of 'not my problem, I won't do anything' is sooooooo prevalent in the UK it's disgusting.

Its like people will give thousands of pounds to charity, but when it comes to helping a homeless person or, as in the case of the OP a racist attack, they want absolutely nothing to do with it.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Yup, although Egyptians weren’t characterised as being ‘black’/African, as such, more like Eastern

No, but if your objective is unity, rather than division, you have to be careful what you teach kids I suppose, the state education system is geared towards breaking down the idea of ‘us and them’

This is true, and is something that has featured in BBC documentary making in the past decade or so, here in the UK :smile:

It’s a difficult one, because the French are a very proud people, and again you are trying to encourage ‘unity’, but it’s a sign of the strength of a nation to be able to admit to, learn from, and teach about, historic mistakes. You don’t do this to appease a particular population, however, you do it with higher ideals in mind

No, I mean people from any other civilisation that demonstrates sufficient ‘friction’ with our own. This includes the Muslim world, for sure, but is not limited to it imo

It is my country, but it is also the country of non-white Britons, and we are a Democracy (the problem being that we have never given a Democratic mandate to anyone to engage in the immigration folly we have seen in recent decades)

They can worry if they like not sure what your point was/how this is this relevant to our discussion? Were you talking about this in relation to my comments on ‘major friction’ a la inter-civilisational mixing?

Sure it hasn’t totally failed, as in civilisation hasn’t fallen, but you’ll find very few indigenous people in developed nations like France and the UK who feel that it has been a success. It hasn’t been properly thought through, planned, phased in, or managed

Secularism relates to Government, not general public sentiment. I agree that a lot of this (the OP’s experience is indicative of this) is entirely unjustified and repulsive, however the Muslim community does have real issues to content with (that’s me putting it nicely)


Yes, sure. Egyptians traded with Nubians, which you would call black African people. But they sure as hell weren't the white tanned guys the movie Exodus portrayed haha.

I guess so, trying to make everyone feel like they all contributed to the history of the country.

Yes I know!! :biggrin:
The UK has no problem showing how Indian soldiers contributed to the war effort, which is great.

I guess that's what President Hollande tried to do. He banned the word "race" from the Constitution at the beginning of his mandate. It's pretty much useless.

Alright, I get what you mean :smile:

Do you think there should be a referendum on immigration? (genuine question)
It seems that British politicians haven't done much to tackle the immigration issue. So UKIP it is? :frown:

I guess I was answering about this issue but I do ramble a lot on these topics so you can ignore what I said :smile:

Of course. The idea of multiculturalism is a good one but it has to be done properly. I'd say both France's and the UK's ways of doing it are very different but both led to difficult situations.

It's true but I'd say there is a secular mindset ("esprit laïcard" in French) in France.
Some, but not all, Muslims realise this. Scholars like Tariq Ramadan and Abdennour Bidar have been calling for a deep reform of the Muslim faith. But they often get threatened due to their views.
But different communities don't practice Islam the same way. Indonesians and Syrians, although dominently Sunni, surely don't have the exact same conception of Islam.
Original post by hellodave5

Your main point: We're told to keep separate from people with different cultures? What do you mean?
I don't mind some dilution of our own cultural values: our international cultural standing is increased, and we have the luxury of experiencing other cultures.

When has Britain ever had a good culture? It has always stolen from other cultures, as far as I know. We invented football and cricket and tennis, is all I can think of... and have a royal family and pubs.


"I hate Britain" <- this is all I hear from you. Our international cultural standing is decreased due to it's dilution. There is no point inrespecting or even acknowledging a bland jellyfish culture of people.

A culture which does not produce terrorism and rape gangs is an inherently superior one. If you believe the kebab is worth this authoritarian police state, then so be it.
Original post by HigherMinion
"I hate Britain" <- this is all I hear from you. Our international cultural standing is decreased due to it's dilution. There is no point inrespecting or even acknowledging a bland jellyfish culture of people.

A culture which does not produce terrorism and rape gangs is an inherently superior one. If you believe the kebab is worth this authoritarian police state, then so be it.


I don't hate Britain at all. I love its educational institutions, its healthcare system, and our cities - all of which are world class. What did Britain have that was diluted?

There is violent crime and rape in this country and similar countries I assure you. The inherent difference between the 'cultures' in this country is one of socio-economic status and deprivation - whilst abroad relative to this country there is a massive lack of education and policing (assuming certain parts of the world from your mention of a kebab).
So what you said there is really very unfair.

Our society isn't at all authoritarian, and scores quite low on measures of authoritarianism - though not as well as Scandinavian countries. Internet is quite highly regulated here for a Western country, but this is something I am against - and seemingly isn't needed.

This is something the government are pushing for with a made up rationale, using 'terrorism' as a 'scape goat'. There are very few cases of 'terrorism'. Most people just go by their own business in peace, as indeed does everyone else.
Original post by hellodave5
I don't hate Britain at all. I love its educational institutions, its healthcare system, and our cities - all of which are world class. What did Britain have that was diluted?



Our society isn't at all authoritarian, and scores quite low on measures of authoritarianism - though not as well as Scandinavian countries. Internet is quite highly regulated here for a Western country, but this is something I am against - and seemingly isn't needed.



Socialism is authoritarian by it's very nature. Of course you love all the free stuff the UK offers- hilarious.
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This country is too divided as is. I'm not surprised when it comes to people with prejudices, but at the same time, as Obama said: we must have empathy. Imagine immigrants who have come to the country, whose only news appearances seem to be involving terrorism, you'd be lead to believe that they all secretly hold such opinions of you because you happen to be a native. Of course you have to take into account confirmation bias and general biases, but it seems to be that many parts of London are racially segregated because people of certain ethnic/cultural backgrounds like to be together. I'd recommend you watch the EDL guy do his Oxford Union speech and take it for face value, rather than watching it with prejudices.

All I can say is take it on the cheek. ( I'm a South African white man and all my friends make out that I owned slaves, oppressed people, etc., when of course I haven't, and most white people didn't. Well, no slaves ever really existed in South Africa post 1870, but that's besides the point.)
Original post by HigherMinion
Socialism is authoritarian by it's very nature. Of course you love all the free stuff the UK offers- hilarious.


Really, how?
Well then, tell me what else England has.
On behalf of all white people (yes, I can speak on their behalf): sorry. **** racists. **** UKIP, **** BNP. **** EDL.
Original post by generic_man
On behalf of all white people (yes, I can speak on their behalf): sorry. **** racists. **** UKIP, **** BNP. **** EDL.


Thank you, oh generic white man. :smile:
Original post by jedanselemyia
Thank you, oh generic white man. :smile:


No worries!

Original post by generic_man
No worries!



I haven't had a laugh like that in days.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Loyalty should never come at the cost of decency dear, please remember that, particularly if you wish to aspire to a higher level of Britishness :haughty:

She wasn’t just for fun, but it was largely about fun, and we didn’t really go on formal dates as such I don’t think (this was almost a decade ago) :erm:

She was pretty much the same as you in that regard cheeky chops!

We’ll see :smile: In general I would be extremely unlikely to approach/flirt with a Middle Eastern girl btw, asking for trouble!

Sure. Name one :holmes:

Your comments were generalities, not merely focused on you, and were exclusionary (unlike “may or may not”)

You have a list of prospective Lawrences? :dry:

That movie was 100% historically accurate :colonhash:

Spoiler


I have to say, I tend to look rather favourably on (Hindu) Indians, they're often jolly good sorts! :top2:

Depends what the question was, it’s a very complex issue. Anyone with any sense is not anti-immigration per sae

The mainstream parties will pay lip service to doing something about immigration but they will deliver **** all, so yes, I expect millions will turn to UKIP

Indeed so, and how practice and ethno-culture impact upon behaviour can vary too. Indonesian Muslim men generally tend to behave in a more law abiding manner than Pakistani Muslim men, for example


Hah,he slandered by mother,I'm sorry but I couldn't just walk away but I will take this into consideration and next time probably just walk away.

Ah getting down and dirty with an Iranian hahah,shaking her pom-poms all over you :tongue:
oh come on!! Middle Eastern girls aren't that scary. If I showed you the amount of nice looking exotic girls around Edgware road,who aren't all Muslims,you'd change your perspective.
You just have to make sure you have your pockets filled with money or gold :tongue: :redface:
I know,anyway i wouldn't mind marrying someone of European heritage if he respected me and my background,nothing like a dashing handsome blonde who is willing to learn Arabic and call me habibi all day bahahahaha!
you still never told me what happened with your eastern European favourite cutie,is she back on board?

Plenty of studies online that ive looked at(including stats),there's just somehing about interracial relationships that make it difficult for some people to carry on. Also in my friendship circle,those who ended up marrying outside their race or even daying,are no longer with their partners as opposed to those who decided to just date their own race/kind. I remember I told you about my friend Sarah,she's passed down her words of wisdom about being careful when dating white men :tongue: so now I know what to look out for and danger signs that things may never work etc

Not so much,no. More like men who would like to date me desperately right now,which pretty much scares me to the extent they'd go to but that's not what I am looking for,so you'll be the first and last one on there. It makes me sound so rude but there's only one priority for me right now.Speaking of which,I expect your moral support on Friday,if possible,would be lovely,i still intend to surprise thee before then mwuahahah :colone::colondollar::cool:
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Original post by jedanselemyia
No wonder why people say "Parigo tête de veau, Parisien tête de chien" :biggrin:

Another word for white french chavs is "beauf" (you can use "bidochon" as well but that's me personally).
My neighbours were of that type and you heard everything they said. They can't even speak their own language properly. Thank god they're gone.


Tbh the Parisians just struck me as a bit sissy, French lads are shorter in general and they all look really slender compared to Brits and Germans. But whatever, I think they had a Napoleon complex.
Original post by Foo.mp3

That movie was 100% historically accurate :colonhash:

Spoiler


I have to say, I tend to look rather favourably on (Hindu) Indians, they're often jolly good sorts! :top2:

Depends what the question was, it’s a very complex issue. Anyone with any sense is not anti-immigration per sae

The mainstream parties will pay lip service to doing something about immigration but they will deliver **** all, so yes, I expect millions will turn to UKIP

Indeed so, and how practice and ethno-culture impact upon behaviour can vary too. Indonesian Muslim men generally tend to behave in a more law abiding manner than Pakistani Muslim men, for example


Haha yeah right. I didn't even bother seeing it.

They are yes :h:

That's a shame. Same here with the Front National.

Because of the economic advantages?

I guess that's true. It depends on what kind of customs they were before the conversion to Islam.

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