Are Poles a better calibre of European?

Governments need to stop putting GDP growth before the interests of the public. It is obvious to anyone that our small land cannot take in an infinite amount of newcomers aswell as the fact that unemployment is creeping up so its a logical decision to prevent the romanians. And yes I do think the poles are of a higher calibre personally because of their strong work ethic. Romania and Bulgaria are two nations blighted by corruption at all levels due to soviet rule - they need to sort this out first and other problems before us wealthy nations have to accept any old bob.

So is Poland actually.

Governments need to stop putting GDP growth before the interests of the public. It is obvious to anyone that our small land cannot take in an infinite amount of newcomers aswell as the fact that unemployment is creeping up so its a logical decision to prevent the romanians. And yes I do think the poles are of a higher calibre personally because of their strong work ethic. Romania and Bulgaria are two nations blighted by corruption at all levels due to soviet rule - they need to sort this out first and other problems before us wealthy nations have to accept any old bob.

Are you aware of the concept of "full employment"? That's basically where we were at before all the Poles were allowed to come here. As a result we were more acutely vulnerable to inflationary pressures.

But we are now in a situation where unemployment and inflation is slowly rising. Wouldn't it make sense if we put a curb to immigration?

Inflation's pretty stable, in part thanks to the extra labour at the base of the market. Unemployment is rising slightly as a result but not alarmingly. So what? It's not as though the target is full employment!

If the immigration translated straight into unemployment you may have the beginnings of a case for controls; be it a shaky one. But it doesn't, much of the immigration has been taken up in new jobs that couldn't have been created without it. Ontop of that, you have the fact that despite employers are advertising more and more jobs (at or above the NMW) there aren't the willing Brits to fill them. Many unemployed Brits seem to be failing to read the job advertisements!

But do we have too strong a case for creating jobs and we therefore resort in getting more immigrants?

We have unemployed Brits because markets don't work efficiently. If we increase the going rate, then we would have more Brits working. But sadly the going rate is below the clearing rate, therefore EU immigrants are more than happy to supply their labour.

And there's lack of incentive for them to work, courtesy of New Labour's higher unemployment benefits.

I'm amused by the concept of "too strong a case for creating jobs". Implying that job creation is a bad thing.

Granted, JSA et all is a problem. However, the fact that we have spent time at or near full employment is testimony to the efficiency of our labour market. Business has managed to pay a market clearing wage (in a practical sense) but is still demanding growth. The problem is the apathy and irrationality of the British unemployed whilst the increasing tax burden on the low paid is expanding the reach of the benefit trap. Increasing wages will not decrease unemployment further without increasing inflation. If we wanted to decrease unemployment we should focus on removing disincentives.

Problem is, the government is more focused on giving an impression that immigration is automatically an economic benefit, to smoke screen the ****ed up immigration policies that they have, rather than removing those disincentives and tackling domestic causes that discourage British workers.

Even with the immigration we have had recently, the labour market still has an excess demand for labour.

Hence rising unemployment?

"The unemployment rate, on the ILO definition, was 5.5 per cent in the three months to June 2006, up 0.3 per cent from the three months to March 2006 and up 0.7 per cent over the year. The unemployment level stood at 1,677,000 in the three months to June 2006"

Read my earlier posts. The unemployment is not due to a lack of jobs. There is an increasing supply of vacancies (not regionalised), therefore it must be something else.[/QUOTE]

Like what then?

Like I've said before, there's the constantly expanding benefit trap for starters. Ontop of that we have seen a drop in inactivity as people come into the marketplace in search of work.

Well who counted the poles when they were coming in that’s what id like to know! When we got to 20 thousand why didn’t somebody say hang on a sec something strange is afoot? Its past incompetence Howard. Nobody can deny that it was obvious that there were more poles coming in. They were allowed to do it for whatever reason. If I was Romanian or Bulgarian I would think today’s events were outrageous.

The British Government said 13,000 poles would come, over half a million came. Who stopped them? Nobody. So from that one can derive that the government didn’t really care if more than 13,000 poles came over. If they are working here why not let another half million come over? Over half a million poles have come here. There paying tax and if there not they should be booted out, why not have another half a million more from Europe? If they are paying taxes where is the strain on the NHS and Education if they are contributing the same amount as a British Citizen?

There is an increasing supply of vacancies (not regionalised), therefore it must be something else.