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    So the current government are spending millions on continuing a cull programme when evidence shows that it will increase levels of TB across the UK.

    How are people not more angry about this phenomenal waste of resources?
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    (a) A Google news story search gives lots of stories about the government saying it will take until 20138 to eradicate TB by culling the badgers, not anything saying it would go up. Got a link?

    (b) Do you mean culling badgers, or immigrants who come in with TB?

    (c) (I wish they'd just inoculate the cattle, and against against foot & mouth.)
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    (Original post by Simes)
    (a) A Google news story search gives lots of stories about the government saying it will take until 20138 to eradicate TB by culling the badgers, not anything saying it would go up. Got a link?

    (b) Do you mean culling badgers, or immigrants who come in with TB?

    (c) (I wish they'd just inoculate the cattle, and against against foot & mouth.)
    Foot and Mouth vaccination is roughly as effective as flu vaccination. It'd be massively impractical to run an annual vaccination campaign for all cows.
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    Well if animal rights activists keep disrupting culls (they've done it in the past as well, a previous trial had over half its traps interfered with) of course it isn't going to work.

    I'm undecided on the cull, but we can't know if it's effective or not until we have a cull with low levels of interference by activists.
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    Most people dont want the truth. They just want to see things done, and people in white coat standing along side their elected officals to tell them, what lies to reconfirm what they believe.
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    lets look at the TB in the human population. China and India count for 45% of worlds TB cases and they have a more than 95% of their population. Yet in this country we vaccinate those babies whose parents/ grandparents came from those countries, then when the child gets TB we say it is because of people in the community spreading it. Once you have the vaccine, the TB virus doesnt always manifest itself straight away. It can be months or years before the person who had the vaccine, comes out with TB. But your doctor wont tell you this.

    In the UK, when disease outbreak occur in highly vaccinated communities we always blame the unvaccinated and there is no real statistics put out in the mainstream media regarding this. So we have to look into the USA, where it is mandatory for children to get vaccinated before school, and if they can't get vaccinated they need to get a exception slip. you can google all this. In the USA last year, there was outbreaks of whooping cough and when you look at the statistics, almost everyone who got whooping cough was vaccinated. The same with measles. There was a school which has an outbreak of measles and everyone who got measles were vaccinated.

    Either vaccinations arent working anymore because of mutations and the government health officals need to cancel the contracts until the manufacturers can update the vaccine to be safe and effective. Or mutations happen all the time, and you cant produce vaccine quick enough to do that. In that case, we should stop vaccinating and the NHS lots of money and put some of that money into policies such as hygiene, educating the public of having a nutritious diet, improve sanitation and health. That way we will see more healthy population, and chronic disease fall. Hhhhmmm.. just one problem, Big Phama is known to be the most powering lobbying group in the world. The vaccine industry alone is worth over 280 billion dollars a year. And the cancer industry is also very profitable and growth is accelerating.
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    (Original post by Simes)
    (a) A Google news story search gives lots of stories about the government saying it will take until 20138 to eradicate TB by culling the badgers, not anything saying it would go up. Got a link?

    (b) Do you mean culling badgers, or immigrants who come in with TB?

    (c) (I wish they'd just inoculate the cattle, and against against foot & mouth.)
    Under labour there was a pilot cull. The pilot study was carried out my PhD supervisor.

    Articles covering the findings:
    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...nment-27770272

    Anyway that trial cull produced two very inconvenient findings.
    1. Cattle also give TB to badgers
    2. Small scale culling (as opposed to killing over 80% of badgers across a large area) like what is being done now leads to badgers dispersing into neighbouring areas and infecting other badgers with TB, which then infect cattle, causing TB rates to rise substantially on land neighbouring the cull area.

    So all evidence points to the current strategy making TB worse.


    The reason cattle can't be inoculated is because the innoculation causes the animal to test positive for TB. So there's no way of distinguishing between a vaccinated cow and a sick cow which is very dangerous as no vaccine is 100% effective.
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    Well if animal rights activists keep disrupting culls (they've done it in the past as well, a previous trial had over half its traps interfered with) of course it isn't going to work.

    I'm undecided on the cull, but we can't know if it's effective or not until we have a cull with low levels of interference by activists.
    There was no interference by activists under the first pilot (labour trial) and small scale culling was shown to make TB worse.
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    (Original post by andersonsophie_8)
    Most people dont want the truth. They just want to see things done, and people in white coat standing along side their elected officals to tell them, what lies to reconfirm what they believe.
    Well as the famous Tory Party saying goes 'sometimes when you think something is right you just have to do it'

    Screw evidence!
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    Politicians support the things that will get them votes and money. If that means killing badgers for no reason, they say "where do I sign?"

    On the whole, people really don't care very much about animals. The only reason this is even an issue is because it's getting in the way of us killing cows.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    So the current government are spending millions on continuing a cull programme when evidence shows that it will increase levels of TB across the UK.

    How are people not more angry about this phenomenal waste of resources?
    They would rather take benefits off people.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Politicians support the things that will get them votes and money. If that means killing badgers for no reason, they say "where do I sign?"

    On the whole, people really don't care very much about animals. The only reason this is even an issue is because it's getting in the way of us killing cows.
    As if farmers would vote for anyone other than Tory... Actually I suppose there's UKIP now. Great, one more thing to blame UKIP for. Our government is literally in the pocket of the farmers union, and they have the cheek to say trade unions hold sway over labour...
 
 
 
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