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Totally irrelevant thread for most, but just wanted to show you what the 'improved' (chortle) questions/system is like...
Rough guide...
6pts - give an example of a non-academic achievement and its significance to foundation training
4pts - LIST your academic achievements
6pts - Describe a time when you had to deal with pressure/a setback - what happened?
6pts - Decribe from clinical experience how your behaviour enhanced the experience of a patient as the central focus of care. what did you do, what was the outcome?
6pts - Decribe an example that has increased your understanding of working as a team. what was your role & contribution?
6pts - Decribe an example of a situation where you demostrated proffesionalism/integrity. what did you do/outcome
6pts - give an example of how your planning skills have conmtributed to a significant personal achievement in the last five years. what did you learn from this from which is relevant to foundation training?
So a total of 40 points for these 'reflections'. THe is a grand total of 85 marks up for grabs. Academic marking is worth 45 points (if you are top quartile), 40 (2nd) 35 (3rd) 30 (4th).
So the lower your quartile the more these silly reflection things count. Infact, even at 2nd quartile its still worth near 50%.
Personally i haven't done too badly from these questions - i never really bothered with much in way of formal music sports or socs at uni. but those who have will lose out somewhat. I mean a lot of these are just vague anacedotal 'write a wise story, get a good job' type rubbish. methinks alot of people will simply get some stories off actual doctors and pass them off. within 150 words anyway
Rough guide...
6pts - give an example of a non-academic achievement and its significance to foundation training
4pts - LIST your academic achievements
6pts - Describe a time when you had to deal with pressure/a setback - what happened?
6pts - Decribe from clinical experience how your behaviour enhanced the experience of a patient as the central focus of care. what did you do, what was the outcome?
6pts - Decribe an example that has increased your understanding of working as a team. what was your role & contribution?
6pts - Decribe an example of a situation where you demostrated proffesionalism/integrity. what did you do/outcome
6pts - give an example of how your planning skills have conmtributed to a significant personal achievement in the last five years. what did you learn from this from which is relevant to foundation training?
So a total of 40 points for these 'reflections'. THe is a grand total of 85 marks up for grabs. Academic marking is worth 45 points (if you are top quartile), 40 (2nd) 35 (3rd) 30 (4th).
So the lower your quartile the more these silly reflection things count. Infact, even at 2nd quartile its still worth near 50%.
Personally i haven't done too badly from these questions - i never really bothered with much in way of formal music sports or socs at uni. but those who have will lose out somewhat. I mean a lot of these are just vague anacedotal 'write a wise story, get a good job' type rubbish. methinks alot of people will simply get some stories off actual doctors and pass them off. within 150 words anyway
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i hope this system changes in the next 4 years.
by 'list your academic achievements' - is this just A Levels and degrees? Soooo maybe I should intercalate.
are people ranking their areas strategically at your med school? i.e. If you don't think you'll get your first choices- put the places where you actually want to go lower down in your rankings.
by 'list your academic achievements' - is this just A Levels and degrees? Soooo maybe I should intercalate.
are people ranking their areas strategically at your med school? i.e. If you don't think you'll get your first choices- put the places where you actually want to go lower down in your rankings.
Jamie
Personally i haven't done too badly from these questions - i never really bothered with much in way of formal music sports or socs at uni. but those who have will lose out somewhat. I mean a lot of these are just vague anacedotal 'write a wise story, get a good job' type rubbish. methinks alot of people will simply get some stories off actual doctors and pass them off. within 150 words anyway
Personally i haven't done too badly from these questions - i never really bothered with much in way of formal music sports or socs at uni. but those who have will lose out somewhat. I mean a lot of these are just vague anacedotal 'write a wise story, get a good job' type rubbish. methinks alot of people will simply get some stories off actual doctors and pass them off. within 150 words anyway
Sorry if i'm being ridiculously dense, but I don't understand - how will those who've been involved in music, sports and other societies at uni lose out?
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smirf83
Sorry if i'm being ridiculously dense, but I don't understand - how will those who've been involved in music, sports and other societies at uni lose out?
in previous years there was heavier bias towards extracurricular activities such as sports. there were usually only a few points going for showing professionalism. this year at least 12 of the 40 points is for it, and by way of a few key words here and there it means people with fewer outside interests can add their purely clinical little tit bits/anecdotes and still get good points.
think of it like this. there are no points up for grabs for being a blue, for having captained 20 sports etc. you can just use it as part of one of these reflections. In normal CV marking they can actually just go down and spot the word president on things and start throwing bonus marks at you. not so here.
whether thats a good thing or bad thing i dont know.
Reply 6
someone just pointed out to me rather wisely, that academic weighting is actually only 27%.
because there are 85 marks available - but the lowest makr you can get for academic is 30 anyway.
thus you get between 0 and 15 marks for academic with a total mark of 55.
Sneaky sods. It once again means that someones english skills and ability to fabricate a story are the main criteria.
alot of students, docs and profs are gonna be really miffed methinks.
because there are 85 marks available - but the lowest makr you can get for academic is 30 anyway.
thus you get between 0 and 15 marks for academic with a total mark of 55.
Sneaky sods. It once again means that someones english skills and ability to fabricate a story are the main criteria.
alot of students, docs and profs are gonna be really miffed methinks.
I am actually worried about the non academic achievements bit :s I have no idea what I could put for that. Would being secretary of the history of medicine society count? and if so I don't see how that would make me a better F1, I guess I could talk about organisational skill 
aghhhhh
aghhhhh
Reply 12
It's a lot more balanced than it was last year though!
Having said that, I got the job I wanted despite the massive disappointment finding out I'd pretty much worked my arse off for nothing for 5 years in addition to extracurricular stuff
Having said that, I got the job I wanted despite the massive disappointment finding out I'd pretty much worked my arse off for nothing for 5 years in addition to extracurricular stuff
I can't even make my mind up about how i'd decide to do them if it was up to me! 
I suppose intercalations aren't part of the medicine/surgery, so exclude those for a medical ranking - but then how do you factor in graduate entry people who've been merged into a course at a later point or people who have transferred or that different medical schools don't do the same damn assessments in the first place...?
I suppose intercalations aren't part of the medicine/surgery, so exclude those for a medical ranking - but then how do you factor in graduate entry people who've been merged into a course at a later point or people who have transferred or that different medical schools don't do the same damn assessments in the first place...?
Jamie
6pts - give an example of a non-academic achievement and its significance to foundation training
4pts - LIST your academic achievements
6pts - Describe a time when you had to deal with pressure/a setback - what happened?
6pts - Decribe from clinical experience how your behaviour enhanced the experience of a patient as the central focus of care. what did you do, what was the outcome?
6pts - Decribe an example that has increased your understanding of working as a team. what was your role & contribution?
6pts - Decribe an example of a situation where you demostrated proffesionalism/integrity. what did you do/outcome
6pts - give an example of how your planning skills have conmtributed to a significant personal achievement in the last five years. what did you learn from this from which is relevant to foundation training?
4pts - LIST your academic achievements
6pts - Describe a time when you had to deal with pressure/a setback - what happened?
6pts - Decribe from clinical experience how your behaviour enhanced the experience of a patient as the central focus of care. what did you do, what was the outcome?
6pts - Decribe an example that has increased your understanding of working as a team. what was your role & contribution?
6pts - Decribe an example of a situation where you demostrated proffesionalism/integrity. what did you do/outcome
6pts - give an example of how your planning skills have conmtributed to a significant personal achievement in the last five years. what did you learn from this from which is relevant to foundation training?
That's ridiculous...You mean, after all these years of work I'm going to have to fill in some stupid articificial point scoring rubbish to get a foundation post!... I so did not want to know any of that... I'm just going to hope things change later on... From what I've heard, everything is a bit messed up at the moment...
Reply 18
Elles
But neatly coincided with a new Facebook group discovery I just made whilst stalking friends - "MTAS is ****" it's a Global... 
Eh, i'm in that i think.
The Kent hospitals trust blocks facebook access so only can check up on my wall etc when i get home for the weekend.
is a really bummer!
Our 5th years seemed mega subdued yesterday - they had had their MTAS briefing the night before and most were a little depressed to say the least...
Most were worried about the question that allowed you to say why you would be best placed within a particular deanery had been removed - meaning that you couldn't say "I trained in hospitals within this community, have a full working knowledge of the issues that effect, etc...", I know that the aim was to make the playing field as smooth as possible so people can work wherever, but...
Maybe this is a stereotype we hold amongst ourselves, but how often do non-London medics (save for in more diverse areas such as Manc and Brum) encounter patients who do not speak a word of English, and you have to try to examine them and find out how they feel that day: any change in eating/drinking/weeing/pooing/walking/talking/eating/etc? That's before you bring in diseases such as TB (and not just pulmonary post-primary). I've not even qualified yet and have seen patients with peritoneal TB, bone TB in the spine, meningeal TB. These things are scarily common here...
By the way, the above was an actual question, not one of those moral ground statements ( ), I'm really interested to know what other people see on a regular basis, and what issues other areas have that we don't - after all we might end up flung out to your neck of the woods...!
The other thing that I think is grating is that everyone from my year up signed up to a London school in the days of 'if you want to work in London you really have to qualify here, otherwise you have to fight for the places left by those who have decided to go 'provincial''. So they have amassed more debt than that needed, and a few said that they wouldn't have chosen to go to a London school if they knew then what they know now... Will be interesting to see how 'MMC' affects recruitment in London schools, especially with top up fees etc. Where is the incentive, outside of seeing wierd and wonderful things on a daily basis?
Personally, I wouldn't change my med school for anything, but I am really worried about what will happen come graduation... I'm not prepared to put my relationship on the line for a job in Grimsby, so I've decided if I'm not placed in a catchment area that is commutable, I won't practice. Simple as. A LOT of people feel the same. I'm just lucky that I have two careers I can go back too, making that decision easier to make...
May be it will take a mass exodus of newly qualified medics before they realise that the system isn't working. I just hope the 'end-user' isn't affected too much...
Actually, all this has the potential to turn me in to the two kinds of medic I hate:
1) the CV bashing morons who take things on for brownie points and then **** them up as they had no real insight or drive to do the post in the first place (I went to an election for committee roles in a new soc last night, and was absolutely gobsmaked by the number of people who, when husting, stated that they were on the welfare committee - I've never bloody seen them at a meeting - didn't vote for anyone who said they had, I hate liars!!!)
and
2) Mature medics who think the grass is greener and then decide it isn't and they can't be fecked... I thought I had put so much research into medicine, and while I'm most definitely not in it for the money, didn't expect "location, location, location" to be the issue...
*is now all depressed*
Most were worried about the question that allowed you to say why you would be best placed within a particular deanery had been removed - meaning that you couldn't say "I trained in hospitals within this community, have a full working knowledge of the issues that effect, etc...", I know that the aim was to make the playing field as smooth as possible so people can work wherever, but...
Maybe this is a stereotype we hold amongst ourselves, but how often do non-London medics (save for in more diverse areas such as Manc and Brum) encounter patients who do not speak a word of English, and you have to try to examine them and find out how they feel that day: any change in eating/drinking/weeing/pooing/walking/talking/eating/etc? That's before you bring in diseases such as TB (and not just pulmonary post-primary). I've not even qualified yet and have seen patients with peritoneal TB, bone TB in the spine, meningeal TB. These things are scarily common here...
By the way, the above was an actual question, not one of those moral ground statements (
), I'm really interested to know what other people see on a regular basis, and what issues other areas have that we don't - after all we might end up flung out to your neck of the woods...!The other thing that I think is grating is that everyone from my year up signed up to a London school in the days of 'if you want to work in London you really have to qualify here, otherwise you have to fight for the places left by those who have decided to go 'provincial''. So they have amassed more debt than that needed, and a few said that they wouldn't have chosen to go to a London school if they knew then what they know now... Will be interesting to see how 'MMC' affects recruitment in London schools, especially with top up fees etc. Where is the incentive, outside of seeing wierd and wonderful things on a daily basis?
Personally, I wouldn't change my med school for anything, but I am really worried about what will happen come graduation... I'm not prepared to put my relationship on the line for a job in Grimsby, so I've decided if I'm not placed in a catchment area that is commutable, I won't practice. Simple as. A LOT of people feel the same. I'm just lucky that I have two careers I can go back too, making that decision easier to make...
May be it will take a mass exodus of newly qualified medics before they realise that the system isn't working. I just hope the 'end-user' isn't affected too much...
Actually, all this has the potential to turn me in to the two kinds of medic I hate:
1) the CV bashing morons who take things on for brownie points and then **** them up as they had no real insight or drive to do the post in the first place (I went to an election for committee roles in a new soc last night, and was absolutely gobsmaked by the number of people who, when husting, stated that they were on the welfare committee - I've never bloody seen them at a meeting - didn't vote for anyone who said they had, I hate liars!!!)
and
2) Mature medics who think the grass is greener and then decide it isn't and they can't be fecked... I thought I had put so much research into medicine, and while I'm most definitely not in it for the money, didn't expect "location, location, location" to be the issue...
*is now all depressed*
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