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Blackmail: in this situation, how immoral is it?

OK, basically I lent my tennis racket to my best friend several months ago and he broke the strings (not his fault, sometimes strings just snap). Anyway, he put it in to get it re-strung, and now 4 odd months later he still hasn't got it back, despite me nagging and nagging him.

Anyway, we ordered some products and had them delivered to my house, his share of which he paid, and I know he's absolute desperate to start using them ASAP, but I'm not planning to give his to him until he gets my racket back.

Is this blackmail entirely immoral, or am I somewhat justified in it?

What would you guys do in my situation? I do feel kind of bad because he's paid for his stuff, but you can only keep going "when are you going to get my racket?" for so long before you have to start taking other steps.

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Reply 1
I wouldn't give him the stuff until he gave the racket back, so don't give it to him!!
Reply 2
Yeah, don't give it to him
It's a 45 minute trip each way for him to go pick my racket up from the shop he put it in to get it re-strung, but surely that's his problem for being stupid enough to get it re-strung somewhere so far out of the way?
Reply 4
I'd tell him he aint getting his stuff until you get your racket and just see what he says.
Reply 5
4 months after he dropped it off? The shop probably binned it/sold it by now.
Cortez
I'd tell him he aint getting his stuff until you get your racket and just see what he says.

His excuse for it taking 4 months and counting is that he keeps forgetting.

How much do you want to bet that now there's something he wants out of it that his memory will suddenly improve?

To be honest, the weather is pretty crap at the moment and I'm not desperate for my racket, maybe if he picks my racket up I'll keep "forgetting" to drop his stuff off to him, and if he calls round maybe I'll keep "forgetting" where I put his stuff, see how he likes it.
Talya
4 months after he dropped it off? The shop probably binned it/sold it by now.

That wouldn't be good for him, he'd owe me at least another 100 quid.
Reply 8
I am not a philosopher, so I can't talk about the moral side of the situation competently, but I personally feel that your situation might be a useful lever to get what you want.
He wants something from you, he has also fullfilled his part of the pakt by paying the money so he is entitled to get the goods.
The racket is a different problem: here he owes you something, which he hasn't "payed" yet. The question would be: is the amount of money he has given you in relation to the loss of the racket? Could we then say, that he has thus "payed" for the racket and the "payment" for the goods you ordered would be the racket, meaning that if he returns the racket you will "refund" him with the goods?

I guess it also has to be considered whether this situation would endanger your friendship. He does seem to be reliable or else he might not have payed. Maybe he just needs a real kick to go and get the racket.
Leisure17
I am not a philosopher, so I can't talk about the moral side of the situation competently, but I personally feel that your situation might be a useful lever to get what you want.
He wants something from you, he has also fullfilled his part of the pakt by paying the money so he is entitled to get the goods.
The racket is a different problem: here he owes you something, which he hasn't "payed" yet. The question would be: is the amount of money he has given you in relation to the loss of the racket? Could we then say, that he has thus "payed" for the racket and the "payment" for the goods you ordered would be the racket, meaning that if he returns the racket you will "refund" him with the goods?

I guess it also has to be considered whether this situation would endanger your friendship. He does seem to be reliable or else he might not have payed. Maybe he just needs a real kick to go and get the racket.

He paid me £50 for the stuff, but that simply covered the £50 which I paid originally to order it.

The racket is worth at least £100 (or would be to buy a similar racket brand new). Add to this the fact that I don't want his stuff, I want my damn racket, and this paying for the racket with the goods thing doesn't really work.

He's trustworthy with money and stuff, he's just really forgetful and lazy.
Reply 10
Eblis_O'_Shaughnessy
He paid me £50 for the stuff, but that simply covered the £50 which I paid originally to order it.

The racket is worth at least £100 (or would be to buy a similar racket brand new). Add to this the fact that I don't want his stuff, I want my damn racket, and this paying for the racket with the goods thing doesn't really work.

He's trustworthy with money and stuff, he's just really forgetful and lazy.


How about phoning the shop and asking for the racket to be sent? You could get him to pay the money by bank directly to the shop.
Leisure17
How about phoning the shop and asking for the racket to be sent? You could get him to pay the money by bank directly to the shop.

Should I really have to do that when it was his responsibility to collect it? Then I would have to get him to pay the money by bank, and that's if the shop would even be willing to do that.
My view of this situation hangs on one thing. Who paid for the restringing?
Eblis_O'_Shaughnessy
His excuse for it taking 4 months and counting is that he keeps forgetting.

How much do you want to bet that now there's something he wants out of it that his memory will suddenly improve?

To be honest, the weather is pretty crap at the moment and I'm not desperate for my racket, maybe if he picks my racket up I'll keep "forgetting" to drop his stuff off to him, and if he calls round maybe I'll keep "forgetting" where I put his stuff, see how he likes it.
If you do that it'll just be childish. When he gives you your racket back give him his stuff.
Reply 14
Eblis_O'_Shaughnessy
Should I really have to do that when it was his responsibility to collect it? Then I would have to get him to pay the money by bank, and that's if the shop would even be willing to do that.


Do you want the bl**dy racket or not? You have tried all sorts of ways to get it. I take it he is paying for the restringing and just can't be bothered to get it from the shop. Maybe he brought it there because it was less expensive or whatever reason. But since he is not moving you will have to think of alternatives. The main problem seems to be the drive to the shop, so maybe sending (and paying p&p on top) could be a way to please both of you. Why not suggest that to him and get him to get the shop's bank details, transfer the money and then they send the racket to you?
Otherwise you might just have to really tell him that either he can collect the thing or give you the 100 pounds to buy a new one. Set a date by which you want it back.
generalebriety
My view of this situation hangs on one thing. Who paid for the restringing?

He did. I said I'd pay for it because it wasn't his fault, but he insisted on paying for it.

If I had known me not having my racket 4 months later would be a result of relenting and allowing him to pay, I would've insisted I paid.
Leisure17
Do you want the bl**dy racket or not? You have tried all sorts of ways to get it. I take it he is paying for the restringing and just can't be bothered to get it from the shop. Maybe he brought it there because it was less expensive or whatever reason. But since he is not moving you will have to think of alternatives. The main problem seems to be the drive to the shop, so maybe sending (and paying p&p on top) could be a way to please both of you. Why not suggest that to him and get him to get the shop's bank details, transfer the money and then they send the racket to you?
Otherwise you might just have to really tell him that either he can collect the thing or give you the 100 pounds to buy a new one. Set a date by which you want it back.

Yeah, I really do want the bl**dy racket quite a lot. And yeah, he paid for the re-stringing and just hasn't been bothered to collect it.

You're right. I have to start playing hardball about it.
Eblis_O'_Shaughnessy
He did. I said I'd pay for it because it wasn't his fault, but he insisted on paying for it.

If I had known me not having my racket 4 months later would be a result of relenting and allowing him to pay, I would've insisted I paid.
It would be nice of you to leave him alone, go and pick the bloody racquet up yourself and to shut up about it then. He paid for it when he clearly didn't need to, and you said yourself it wasn't his fault - they just sometimes snap. Why can't you go and pick it up?
Reply 17
Well the situation is a bit uncomfortable, if you are sure that he is not to blame for the broken strings. He does seem a reasonably responsible chap, but I guess you will really have to make clear that you want the racket back within x days.
Maybe you could pay for the p&p if he has already payed for the stringing? That way you would sort of go splits on the problem of collecting the thing.
generalebriety
It would be nice of you to leave him alone, go and pick the bloody racquet up yourself and to shut up about it then. He paid for it when he clearly didn't need to, and you said yourself it wasn't his fault - they just sometimes snap. Why can't you go and pick it up?

I have asked him for the collection ticket so I can pick it up myself, but he keeps saying that he'll do it, and yet he doesn't.

Not to mention the fact that the cost of public transport to get to where he's put it for re-stringing is half the cost of the re-stringing itself, and the only time I have to go is on weekends when I like to have a social life, and he has the entire week free, yet he still doesn't go.

I would even sacrifice one day of free time and the money it would cost to get there just so I could have my racket back, but he won't give me the ticket because he says he'll do it.
Leisure17
Well the situation is a bit uncomfortable, if you are sure that he is not to blame for the broken strings. He does seem a reasonably responsible chap, but I guess you will really have to make clear that you want the racket back within x days.

Breaking the strings wasn't his fault. Sometimes strings just break. It could just as easily have happened when I'd been using the racket.

Incidentally, I did make it clear I wanted the racket back by a certain point several times.

He didn't bother.