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If the US marines and UK army and all other european armies gang up on ISIS and send our boys swarming in on ISIS would have cease to exist by now just like the ottoman empire. So what are we waiting for? why aren't we doing it?
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Because it's not an actual country still.
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(Original post by HucktheForde)
If the US marines and UK army and all other european armies gang up on ISIS and send our boys swarming in on ISIS would have cease to exist by now just like the ottoman empire. So what are we waiting for? why aren't we doing it?
Because it's unpopular. There's also the fact that to completely defeat Islamism you'd have to effectively commit an ethnic genocide.
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The west has already declared war on Islam they won't allow them to prosper I can guarantee that.
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(Original post by HucktheForde)
If the US marines and UK army and all other european armies gang up on ISIS and send our boys swarming in on ISIS would have cease to exist by now just like the ottoman empire. So what are we waiting for? why aren't we doing it?
simple, dont want troops on ground, as these may return in body bags, therefore Political suicide...Can you imagine troops on the ground in Syria, you wont know good guys from bad guys
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As has generally been said: the politicians have learned from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The west has already declared war on Islam they won't allow them to prosper I can guarantee that.
Rubbish! Are you now saying that ISIS represents Islam? Do Moslems in general support ISIS? I don't think so.

For someone who says freedom to speak should not including the right to offend, you are pretty offensive, aren't you. Ironic, eh?
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We already are bombing ISIS, and Obama said he wanted to "degrade and destroy" ISIS. That sounds like a declaration of war to me.

It's just that at the moment we're trying to leave the ground fighting to others, like the Kurds and other militaries fighting against ISIS, with the West proving air support and sometimes weapons. Actual western ground troops in Iraq and Syria won't happen unless the current strategy fails and ISIS continues to advance.
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The west has already declared war on Islam they won't allow them to prosper I can guarantee that.
A war on Islam or a war on Islamists? The irony is that a lot of westerners (the non-nutcases) are doing everything possible to keep the distinction. It's the terrorists that create fear in the name of Islam, and fear and ignorance drives aggression. A war on Islam (not Islamists) is exactly what the terrorists want.

I think you are right though - the West don't sense a real threat from ISIS. It's more beneficial to monitor and manipulate the situation using remote attacks and intelligence than it is to put feet on the ground (not to mention how unpopular troop deployment would be at home).

We cannot stabilise the Middle East. It was the colonial powers that tore it apart, and supported the creation of Israel. There is also a fundamental difference in values at the core of Arab and surrounding cultures, and a reaction against western liberalism and desire to create a supposed perfect society that goes right back to the Ottoman Empire. No matter how many wars we fight there we will only end up creating more groups like ISIS.
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Rubbish! Are you now saying that ISIS represents Islam? Do Moslems in general support ISIS? I don't think so.

For someone who says freedom to speak should not including the right to offend, you are pretty offensive, aren't you. Ironic, eh?
I never said they represent anyone but there is a war on Islam so that includes ISIS also.
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As other posters have mentioned, Isis is not a country. They're active in Iraq, Syria and have now entered Afghanistan. These countries may not be overjoyed with (the return of) a Western army in the air and on the ground.

Also, yes, there's a lack of support for sending in ground troops. And once you start taking on extremist groups, there's little point in going about it in a halfhearted way. Boko Haram has slaughtered thousands of people, so they'd need dealing with as well.

Of course, military engagement could be seen by some as a war on Islam, rather than on extremists, and that could lead to more terrorist acts in the West. It would all need serious consideration.
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Quite honestly because we haven't got our own houses in order yet. There are so many things wrong domestically in western countries - laughable immigration controls, a shameful reluctance to embrace western values, and an overwhelming tide of moral relativism. We need to sort ourselves out first if we want to have any chance in fighting Islamic extremism.

Doing that, also, will bring about the appetite to fight ISIS. Currently the West is populated with pseudo-intellectual busy-bodies who have no understanding of history but are hyper-critical, to the point of being self-flagellating, towards western values. We need to root that out.
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I never said they represent anyone but there is a war on Islam so that includes ISIS also.
There is no war on Islam. It is offensive to make such a false claim.
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But I want to see war
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Some other group will take its place.
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Because peace beats war.
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Because it's unpopular. There's also the fact that to completely defeat Islamism you'd have to effectively commit an ethnic genocide.
why on earth would ethnic cleansing be needed for a bunch desert thieves? stupid post.
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A war on Islam or a war on Islamists? The irony is that a lot of westerners (the non-nutcases) are doing everything possible to keep the distinction. It's the terrorists that create fear in the name of Islam, and fear and ignorance drives aggression. A war on Islam (not Islamists) is exactly what the terrorists want.

I think you are right though - the West don't sense a real threat from ISIS. It's more beneficial to monitor and manipulate the situation using remote attacks and intelligence than it is to put feet on the ground (not to mention how unpopular troop deployment would be at home).

We cannot stabilise the Middle East. It was the colonial powers that tore it apart, and supported the creation of Israel. There is also a fundamental difference in values at the core of Arab and surrounding cultures, and a reaction against western liberalism and desire to create a supposed perfect society that goes right back to the Ottoman Empire. No matter how many wars we fight there we will only end up creating more groups like ISIS.
I disagree I feel this is definitely a war on Islam and not just on what you call extremists. They won't tell you this of course but this is what they tell to their soldiers who go and fight in these wars. They have killed majority civilians and they actually target civilians just like Israel did in the recent bombings of Gaza.
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why on earth would ethnic cleansing be needed for a bunch desert thieves? stupid post.
Islamism is not confined to ISIS. There are a whole mirade of groups and more importantly you'd need to stem their future tide of support, that would potentially involve sacrifice.

My preference (though most consider it extreme) is simply to occupy these nations, enforce a western constitution, do away with their armies (retain a large domestic police force instead) and basically rule them in a way that most would consider civil. I'm told that's imperialism though and that's out of fashion right now (the occupying force would be the west, not just the UK).
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After a decade of unpopular wars in the desert governments are not eager to get in another one.

(Original post by al_94)
I never said they represent anyone but there is a war on Islam so that includes ISIS also.
If we were at war with Islam why on earth would they allow Muslim immigrants? Why is Turkey becoming a member of the EU? Why are we not just nuking the middle east? If there is a war on Islam we are doing a terrible job. Get over your victim complex.
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