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They've made it blatantly obvious that they don't even live in the real world.

Michael Gove forced his education reform on us against the advice of every academic and every teacher and every union in the country. It was an awful reform, going in the exact opposite direction of every European country with a successful education system. This silly old man wanted to go back to the dark ages and he dragged the whole country with him.

David Cameron clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology but insists on forcing in legislation regarding it. He introduced his weird porn filter as an opt-out service. Not only did he fail to realize how easily such a filter could be circumvented, but he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'. An opt-in service would be entirely reasonable.

Now he plans to outlaw communication that the government can't read. Personally I have no problem with the government reading my communications, I'd have no problem with them having backdoor access to data, but this moron has shown that he's far too ignorant to make any decisions regarding technology, and he'll probably do far more harm than good when he forces through some ridiculous legislation opposed by anyone who knows anything.

So I'm just genuinely curious: why do people still vote Conservative when they've shown that they're willing to ignore everyone and do whatever they want, however moronic and damaging it is?
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Because many people have conservative views and feel as if the party represents best what they stand for out of the options available.
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(Original post by JordanL_)
They've made it blatantly obvious that they don't even live in the real world.

Michael Gove forced his education reform on us against the advice of every academic and every teacher and every union in the country. It was an awful reform, going in the exact opposite direction of every European country with a successful education system. This silly old man wanted to go back to the dark ages and he dragged the whole country with him.

David Cameron clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology but insists on forcing in legislation regarding it. He introduced his weird porn filter as an opt-out service. Not only did he fail to realize how easily such a filter could be circumvented, but he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'. An opt-in service would be entirely reasonable.

Now he plans to outlaw communication that the government can't read. Personally I have no problem with the government reading my communications, I'd have no problem with them having backdoor access to data, but this moron has shown that he's far too ignorant to make any decisions regarding technology, and he'll probably do far more harm than good when he forces through some ridiculous legislation opposed by anyone who knows anything.

So I'm just genuinely curious: why do people still vote Conservative when they've shown that they're willing to ignore everyone and do whatever they want, however moronic and damaging it is?
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Because the Conservative party are generally good to Middle England, and in return Middle England is good to it.
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(Original post by JordanL_)
They've made it blatantly obvious that they don't even live in the real world.

Michael Gove forced his education reform on us against the advice of every academic and every teacher and every union in the country. It was an awful reform, going in the exact opposite direction of every European country with a successful education system. This silly old man wanted to go back to the dark ages and he dragged the whole country with him.

David Cameron clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology but insists on forcing in legislation regarding it. He introduced his weird porn filter as an opt-out service. Not only did he fail to realize how easily such a filter could be circumvented, but he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'. An opt-in service would be entirely reasonable.

Now he plans to outlaw communication that the government can't read. Personally I have no problem with the government reading my communications, I'd have no problem with them having backdoor access to data, but this moron has shown that he's far too ignorant to make any decisions regarding technology, and he'll probably do far more harm than good when he forces through some ridiculous legislation opposed by anyone who knows anything.

So I'm just genuinely curious: why do people still vote Conservative when they've shown that they're willing to ignore everyone and do whatever they want, however moronic and damaging it is?
Pretty certain the general consensus is that Gove's reforms were good.....

Also, Conservatives "own" the economy compared to Labour, who **** this country up every single time because they think they can borrow money to make every poor person rich.....
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(Original post by JordanL_)
They've made it blatantly obvious that they don't even live in the real world.

Michael Gove forced his education reform on us against the advice of every academic and every teacher and every union in the country. It was an awful reform, going in the exact opposite direction of every European country with a successful education system. This silly old man wanted to go back to the dark ages and he dragged the whole country with him.

David Cameron clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology but insists on forcing in legislation regarding it. He introduced his weird porn filter as an opt-out service. Not only did he fail to realize how easily such a filter could be circumvented, but he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'. An opt-in service would be entirely reasonable.

Now he plans to outlaw communication that the government can't read. Personally I have no problem with the government reading my communications, I'd have no problem with them having backdoor access to data, but this moron has shown that he's far too ignorant to make any decisions regarding technology, and he'll probably do far more harm than good when he forces through some ridiculous legislation opposed by anyone who knows anything.

So I'm just genuinely curious: why do people still vote Conservative when they've shown that they're willing to ignore everyone and do whatever they want, however moronic and damaging it is?
quick question, who do you support?
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Because the Conservative party are generally good to Middle England, and in return Middle England is good to it.
Just for those who don't understand the term, Middle England means those people who actually work, don't act like total ***** occupying the police every saturday night and don't have illegitimate ******* offspring who repeat the cycle all over again....
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Pretty certain the general consensus is that Gove's reforms were good.....
The only person I've ever seen have that opinion is... Michael Gove. Maybe some Conservative voters. But nobody in teaching or academia.


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quick question, who do you support?
Lib Dems, but I'll probably be voting Labour just because I genuinely worry about how much more damage David Cameron could do with another term.
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Because i believe in lower tax and spend.

Because i believe in military intervention abroad (Miliband played politics with Syria).

Because i believe in a higher defense budget and retaining trident

Because i don't believe that punishing the rich will make my life any better just for the sake of equality.

Because i believe that policies like the right to buy were one of the greatest aids to social mobility created (granted, we should have replaced the housing stock).

Because i believe that the jobs and growth from policies like fracking outweigh the environmental cost.

Because i believe that Gove is one of the few politicians with vision in politics today (Cameron was weak to sack him) - teachers and unions have a vested interest

Because i believe most of all that i will be more prosperous under a Tory government than a Labour one.
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The only person I've ever seen have that opinion is... Michael Gove. Maybe some Conservative voters. But nobody in teaching or academia.




Lib Dems, but I'll probably be voting Labour just because I genuinely worry about how much more damage David Cameron could do with another term.
haha lib dems, I hope you aren't a student else you may be a traitor :P
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The only person I've ever seen have that opinion is... Michael Gove. Maybe some Conservative voters. But nobody in teaching or academia.

Lib Dems, but I'll probably be voting Labour just because I genuinely worry about how much more damage David Cameron could do with another term.
The NUT as a whole opposed the reforms but there are plenty of individual teachers who like them. Gove's problem was'nt that his reforms were bad (many were actually just extensions of Labour policy), it was that he saw the NUT as the enemy and rammed them through rather than allowing them to feel included.

The fact remains that Gove was the first education secretary in decades not to see schools as C grade factories and arrest grade inflation (though not all of his policies were perfect - abolition of modular exams for example).
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(Original post by JordanL_)
The only person I've ever seen have that opinion is... Michael Gove. Maybe some Conservative voters. But nobody in teaching or academia.
Pretty certain some teachers in a Question Time audience were saying his reforms were good.


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Lib Dems, but I'll probably be voting Labour just because I genuinely worry about how much more damage David Cameron could do with another term.
The party who spent so much money on crap like surestart, teenage mums, immigrants, benefit claimants, hospital middle-management, IT systems we had absolutely nothing for a rainy day and then got totally raped because we had to borrow/print money?
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Because all the people that vote conservative simply haven't the worldy experience of your esteemed self, and therefore cannot see the world as it truly is. Hopefully one day they will be as enlightened as you, but we can only dream.
I presume there was a lot of sarcasm there?
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Redrawn electoral boundaries, anyone?
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Secret courts, increased civil litigation costs, TTIP, housing prices........

The Tories insulate the rich and powerful and make lyf bloody hard for middle and lower class.

Seriously you would either be rich or mentally deranged to vote for the Tories
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(Original post by JordanL_)
They've made it blatantly obvious that they don't even live in the real world.

Michael Gove forced his education reform on us against the advice of every academic and every teacher and every union in the country. It was an awful reform, going in the exact opposite direction of every European country with a successful education system. This silly old man wanted to go back to the dark ages and he dragged the whole country with him.

David Cameron clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology but insists on forcing in legislation regarding it. He introduced his weird porn filter as an opt-out service. Not only did he fail to realize how easily such a filter could be circumvented, but he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'. An opt-in service would be entirely reasonable.

Now he plans to outlaw communication that the government can't read. Personally I have no problem with the government reading my communications, I'd have no problem with them having backdoor access to data, but this moron has shown that he's far too ignorant to make any decisions regarding technology, and he'll probably do far more harm than good when he forces through some ridiculous legislation opposed by anyone who knows anything.

So I'm just genuinely curious: why do people still vote Conservative when they've shown that they're willing to ignore everyone and do whatever they want, however moronic and damaging it is?
I've met quite a few teachers that support Goves changes. A lot of academics don't because it means cuts to their funding.

There's a little more to picking who to vote for rather than who's interupted with your ability to self abuse. Much better to go out and get a real girlfriend.
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Because i believe in lower tax and spend.

Because i believe in military intervention abroad (Miliband played politics with Syria).

Because i believe in a higher defense budget and retaining trident

Because i don't believe that punishing the rich will make my life any better just for the sake of equality.

Because i believe that policies like the right to buy were one of the greatest aids to social mobility created (granted, we should have replaced the housing stock).

Because i believe that the jobs and growth from policies like fracking outweigh the environmental cost.

Because i believe that Gove is one of the few politicians with vision in politics today (Cameron was weak to sack him) - teachers and unions have a vested interest

Because i believe most of all that i will be more prosperous under a Tory government than a Labour one.
I've grown up in a pretty poor family my whole life, and times really are hard for us, without things like government help (my mum has a long term spinal injury so cannot work and my dad is not around) we wouldn't be able to live.

I agree the rich shouldn't be punished for being rich, but as it has always been in history the poor are being punished for being poor all the time, and the cycle of poverty continues, many need help. And if taking an extra 1% tax from the rich would help then I think it's a good idea.

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You do realise that there isn't a conservative government, there is a coalition which prevents the them from doing anything. Don't think anyone will contest that Cameron is a useless prat, such as not allowing clegg to abolish the house of lords
Making it elected isn't the same as destroying it.
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I've grown up in a pretty poor family my whole life, and times really are hard for us, without things like government help (my mum has a long term spinal injury so cannot work and my dad is not around) we wouldn't be able to live.

I agree the rich shouldn't be punished for being rich, but as it has always been in history the poor are being punished for being poor all the time, and the cycle of poverty continues, many need help. And if taking an extra 1% tax from the rich would help then I think it's a good idea.

Please don't hate I'm just trying to show people the other side to the story

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My parents have been unemployed for most of my life and while i do think they've done some bad things in welfare (i consider IDS the worst secretary of state I've ever seen), they've done alright on most other issues. I did for a time consider jumping ship however as we've gotten closer to the election i've come to the conclusion that Atos and the Bedroom tax aside, i still agree with them a lot.

Sure but my point is that we don't need that 1% tax because we can cut spending elsewhere. I don't know about you but with my parents being disabled they have many unemployed friends who have in front of me said they don't want a job or wouldn't get out of bed for x, how many of them were helped by throwing money at them as opposed to giving them a kick up the behind. We throw money at pensioners, plenty of whom are wealthy. We gave £12bn in foreign aid last year. We write blank cheques for the NHS at the same time as we provide gastric bands, gender change operations and see A&E full of drunks. The state right now spends far too much (and taxes us too much - your paying tax on your energy bills).

So don't get me wrong, i don't think the Tories are perfect. But as somebody that is aspirational and sees no reason why i'll die poor, i don't dislike a lot of Tory policy.

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You do realise that there isn't a conservative government, there is a coalition which prevents the them from doing anything. Don't think anyone will contest that Cameron is a useless prat, such as not allowing clegg to abolish the house of lords
The Lords reform passed it's second reading with more Tories voting for than against. Had Labour have not rejected the timetable amendment (preventing a filibuster), then it would have passed.
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Even though, I have a big hatred for socialists, or anything that utters green.

I would vote Labour, as they have promised to stop the ridiculous educational reform which has been rejected and criticised in numerous manners.

If the educational reform was removed, then of course without a doubt, I would vote conservatives.

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