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    University is full of mostly middle class people so is to some extent sixth form. Then if you get a graduate job it will be full of middle class people. So my question is do most people here only socialise with middle class people and so get used to it. It kind of becomes a bit like a bubble existence.
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    Do you want to live like common people? Do you want to do whatever common people do? Do you want to sleep with common people?

    Go to a supermarket. I don't know why but you have to start it somewhere, so start it there. Pretend you've got no money, see if anyone else is smiling in there.

    Are you sure you want to live like common people? You want to see whatever common people see? You want to sleep with common people?
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    Living on free-food tickets.
    Water in the milk from a hole in the roof where the rain came through.
    What can you do, mmm?
    Tears from your little sister,
    Crying because she doesn't have a dress without a patch
    For the party to go.
    But you know
    She'll get by.

    'Cause she's living in the love of the common people,
    Smile's from the heart of a family man (ah ah ya).
    Daddy's gonna buy you a dream to cling to;
    Mama's gonna love you just as much as she can (you're so cold)
    And she can.

    It's a good thing you don't have busfare (it's a good thing);
    It would fall through (ouch) the hole in your pocket and you'd lose it
    In the snow on the ground (ow, ah ah ya).
    You gotta walk into town
    To find a job (what's it now).
    Tryin' to keep your hands warm (it's so cold)
    When the hole in your shoe let the snow come through
    And chill you to the bone (brrr cha).
    Somehow you'd better go home, where it's warm,

    Where you can live in a love of the common people,
    Smile's from the heart of a family man (ah ah ya).
    Daddy's gonna buy you a dream to cling to;
    Mama's gonna love you just as much as she can (you're so cold)
    And she can.

    Living on a dream ain't easy,
    But the closer the knit,
    The tighter the fit (the closer the knit),
    And the chills stay away (ow, ah ah ya) --
    Just take 'em in stride for family pride.
    You know that faith is your foundation (ooh now, ooh now, ooh now),
    With a whole lotta love and a warm conversation,
    But don't forget to pray (forget to pray).
    Just making it strong where you belong.

    And we're living in the love of the common people,
    Smile's from the heart of a family man (what's it now).
    Daddy's gonna buy you a dream to cling to;
    Mama's gonna love you just as much as she can (you're so cold).
    And she can.

    Yes, we're living in the love of the common people,
    Smile's from the heart of a family man (ah ah ya).
    Daddy's gonna buy you a dream to cling to;
    Mama's gonna love you just as much as she can (you're so cold).
    Living in the love of the common people,
    Smile's from the heart of a family man (what's it now).
    Daddy's gonna buy you a dream to cling to;
    Mama's gonna love you just as much as she can (you're so cold).
    Living in the love of the common people,
    Smile's really hard on a family man (ah ah ya).
    Daddy's gonna buy you a dream to cling to;
    Mama's gonna love you just as much as she can.
    And she can.
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    Who are these people? They seemingly think themselves better than others, in a higher class. But they are deluded. They are just chattels of the state,wage slaves just like the rest of the populace. They are but one or two wage packets away from penury.
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    (Original post by Guy Secretan)
    University is full of mostly middle class people so is to some extent sixth form. Then if you get a graduate job it will be full of middle class people. So my question is do most people here only socialise with middle class people and so get used to it. It kind of becomes a bit like a bubble existence.
    If most people here are higher education students and so by your own definition; middle class themselves... what is there to 'get used to' by being around a majority of other middle class people?
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    (Original post by Reue)
    If most people here are higher education students and so by your own definition; middle class themselves... what is there to 'get used to' by being around a majority of other middle class people?
    No some people here would have working class siblings or friends but I mean most people get used to the status quo of their life. Like if you are a vegetarian you would get used to it.
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    (Original post by Guy Secretan)
    No some people here would have working class siblings or friends but I mean most people get used to the status quo of their life. Like if you are a vegetarian you would get used to it.
    So those who have working class family or friends won't fall into the 'most' group you've used in your opening post.

    By your definitions you are either:

    - Middle class with all middle class friends.. and so have nothing to get 'used to'.

    - Middle class but have some working class friends and so again have nothing to get 'used to'.

    The only situation I think could apply would be if you came from a heavily working class background, went to university where you only socialised with middle class people while at the same time cutting all ties to your previous working class friends. In which case; Yes.. you probably would need to adapt yourself slightly.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    So those who have working class family or friends won't fall into the 'most' group you've used in your opening post.

    By your definitions you are either:

    - Middle class with all middle class friends.. and so have nothing to get 'used to'.

    - Middle class but have some working class friends and so again have nothing to get 'used to'.

    The only situation I think could apply would be if you came from a heavily working class background, went to university where you only socialised with middle class people while at the same time cutting all ties to your previous working class friends. In which case; Yes.. you probably would need to adapt yourself slightly.
    Of course you have something to get used to. If you grew up and spent your whole life around middle class people then you are obviously used to it. Most private school kids would get used to their life. There when they leave that life they will suffer a culture shock.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    If most people here are higher education students and so by your own definition; middle class themselves... what is there to 'get used to' by being around a majority of other middle class people?
    OP didn't say that university students are middle class by definition. No sensible person would.

    You seem to be wilfully excluding the possibility that a working class person could go to university and have something to get used to when their day-to-day social circles are largely composed of middle class people.
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    OP didn't say that university students are middle class by definition. No sensible person would.

    You seem to be wilfully excluding the possibility that a working class person could go to university and have something to get used to when their day-to-day social circles are largely composed of middle class people.
    I think the act of going to university does kind of make you middle class. You're certainly not working class.. because you're not working. You may come from a working class household/background originally.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    I think the act of going to university does kind of make you middle class. You're certainly not working class.. because you're not working. You may come from a working class household/background originally.
    I see. Well I don't agree that you suddenly become middle class when you go to university. I think personal education is just one of many factors which determine class, such as household income, parental education and parental occupation. I don't personally think a class boundary can be traversed in a single generation.

    Regardless, I think your characterisation of the working class is simplistic. If someone is born to a surveyor and a lawyer, lives in a five bed house in Surrey and goes to Westminster, and subsequently decides not to attend university but to go into theatre, does he suddenly become working class? I doubt it somehow. Why, then, would someone whose parents work as a plumber and a receptionist and who shares a bedroom with his sister suddenly become middle class by virtue of a certificate?
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    I see. Well I don't agree that you suddenly become middle class when you go to university. I think personal education is just one of many factors which determine class, such as household income, parental education and parental occupation. I don't personally think a class boundary can be traversed in a single generation.

    Regardless, I think your characterisation of the working class is simplistic. If someone is born to a surveyor and a lawyer, lives in a five bed house in Surrey and goes to Westminster, and subsequently decides not to attend university but to go into theatre, does he suddenly become working class? I doubt it somehow. Why, then, would someone whose parents work as a plumber and a receptionist and who shares a bedroom with his sister suddenly become middle class by virtue of a certificate?
    Going into the theatre is probably a poor example. Instead consider a manual labour job etc. In which case yes; I think the classes have changed by nature of education and employment.

    My father and mother were both working class. Dad worked at the printers and mum was on oil ships. Neither went to university and we lived in a right to buy ex council house on a rough estate.

    By your definitions I would be stuck as working class? I was certainly working class growing up. When does the class boundary shift if not upon entering higher education?
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    I come from a completely working class background, none of my family have degrees or higher education. I don't consider myself working class though. I don't have an awful lot of money as I'm a student but life is what you make of it for yourself, not what choices your family made. I don't think my background will disadvantage me in any way.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    Going into the theatre is probably a poor example. Instead consider a manual labour job etc. In which case yes; I think the classes have changed by nature of education and employment.

    My father and mother were both working class. Dad worked at the printers and mum was on oil ships. Neither went to university and we lived in a right to buy ex council house on a rough estate.

    By your definitions I would be stuck as working class? I was certainly working class growing up. When does the class boundary shift if not upon entering higher education?
    Upon having children. Your kids could be middle class.
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    (Original post by xleoanimusx)
    I come from a completely working class background, none of my family have degrees or higher education. I don't consider myself working class though. I don't have an awful lot of money as I'm a student but life is what you make of it for yourself, not what choices your family made. I don't think my background will disadvantage me in any way.
    Why not?
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    Upon having children. Your kids could be middle class.
    I best start watching Jeremy kyle and drinking special brew then
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    My secondary school was predominantly working class and so most of my friends are working class, I'm the only one of my school friendship group to do a-levels yet alone university. I commute but I feel like when I'm at university I'm in a little bubble lol.
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    (Original post by Simes)
    Do you want to live like common people? Do you want to do whatever common people do? Do you want to sleep with common people?
    Common people like me? I'll see what I can do.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    I best start watching Jeremy kyle and drinking special brew then
    That designates your family working class for the next twelve generations, according to The Rules.
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    That designates your family working class for the next twelve generations, according to The Rules.
    Oh right. Could have fooled me. Always thought I was middle class.
 
 
 
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