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Original post by HarryDn
Agree or disagree?
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
Would you rather pay for all treatment like they do in other parts of the world?
Original post by Balloon Baboon
Would you rather pay for all treatment like they do in other parts of the world?
"gotten"
Original post by HarryDn
"gotten"
Become*
Original post by HarryDn
Agree or disagree?
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
Why do you say that? That's quite a blanket statement to make without any explanation or evidence.
I think people are good at criticising the NHS whilst ignoring just how fortunate they are to have free healthcare that is by and large very professionally run. A nationwide health service is never going to be perfect, but the NHS does a pretty damn good job with all the constraints and limitations it's put under. I don't doubt the quality of medical staff at all.
Original post by Reluire
Why do you say that? That's quite a blanket statement to make without any explanation or evidence.
I think people are good at criticising the NHS whilst ignoring just how fortunate they are to have free healthcare that is by and large very professionally run. A nationwide health service is never going to be perfect, but the NHS does a pretty damn good job with all the constraints and limitations it's put under. I don't doubt the quality of medical staff at all.
I think people are good at criticising the NHS whilst ignoring just how fortunate they are to have free healthcare that is by and large very professionally run. A nationwide health service is never going to be perfect, but the NHS does a pretty damn good job with all the constraints and limitations it's put under. I don't doubt the quality of medical staff at all.
Agreed.
Original post by HarryDn
Agree or disagree?
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
Watch https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB10102D1736FEAC5 and see what it really used to be like.
Original post by Reluire
Why do you say that? That's quite a blanket statement to make without any explanation or evidence.
I think people are good at criticising the NHS whilst ignoring just how fortunate they are to have free healthcare that is by and large very professionally run. A nationwide health service is never going to be perfect, but the NHS does a pretty damn good job with all the constraints and limitations it's put under. I don't doubt the quality of medical staff at all.
I think people are good at criticising the NHS whilst ignoring just how fortunate they are to have free healthcare that is by and large very professionally run. A nationwide health service is never going to be perfect, but the NHS does a pretty damn good job with all the constraints and limitations it's put under. I don't doubt the quality of medical staff at all.
I'm suggesting that it's declined, not that it's gotten totally rubbish.
A lot of my older friends (who have obv used it for some time) agree about that.
Original post by HarryDn
I'm suggesting that it's declined, not that it's gotten totally rubbish.
A lot of my older friends (who have obv used it for some time) agree about that.
A lot of my older friends (who have obv used it for some time) agree about that.
So you expected cuts and restructuring to result in no lessening in service then?
Original post by redferry
So you expected cuts and restructuring to result in no lessening in service then?
Sure, if you point out where I said that...
wait what
Original post by HarryDn
I'm suggesting that it's declined, not that it's gotten totally rubbish.
A lot of my older friends (who have obv used it for some time) agree about that.
A lot of my older friends (who have obv used it for some time) agree about that.
The economy is vastly different now and the NHS has to deal with huge amounts of cuts and and restructuring as redferry said. It's never going to incline under such circumstances. The NHS does the best with what it's given.
O for the 'good old days' when a doctor could swan around talking to patients and handing out pills and nurses could make friends with the patients. Then when granny died because you accidentally forgot to prescribe her anti-clotting medication, or the nurse accidentally gives 10x the dose ... oh well what a shame she was probably going to die anyway moving on.
The NHS is a victim of its own success - not only is the average age of admission to medical wards above 85 in many places (patients who would simply be already dead in previous decades), the fact that we actually expect people to get better means that any mistakes are a big deal. To try to prevent these doctors and nurses spend probably >50% of their time filling in forms, as well as having to spend time communicating with various specialists, having more meetings, and generally doing a lot less of the things people traditionally consider being a doctor/nurse.
Of course that's putting aside the aforementioned imminent explosion in health needs of the baby-boomers at a time when we need to support more pensioners, the workforce will shrink and we have succeeded in not saving a single penny to deal with the crisis that could have been (and was) predicted in 1950.
The NHS is a victim of its own success - not only is the average age of admission to medical wards above 85 in many places (patients who would simply be already dead in previous decades), the fact that we actually expect people to get better means that any mistakes are a big deal. To try to prevent these doctors and nurses spend probably >50% of their time filling in forms, as well as having to spend time communicating with various specialists, having more meetings, and generally doing a lot less of the things people traditionally consider being a doctor/nurse.
Of course that's putting aside the aforementioned imminent explosion in health needs of the baby-boomers at a time when we need to support more pensioners, the workforce will shrink and we have succeeded in not saving a single penny to deal with the crisis that could have been (and was) predicted in 1950.
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Original post by nexttime
O for the 'good old days' when a doctor could swan around talking to patients and handing out pills and nurses could make friends with the patients. Then when granny died because you accidentally forgot to prescribe her anti-clotting medication, or the nurse accidentally gives 10x the dose ... oh well what a shame she was probably going to die anyway moving on.
The NHS is a victim of its own success - not only is the average age of admission to medical wards above 85 in many places (patients who would simply be already dead in previous decades), the fact that we actually expect people to get better means that any mistakes are a big deal. To try to prevent these doctors and nurses spend probably >50% of their time filling in forms, as well as having to spend time communicating with various specialists, having more meetings, and generally doing a lot less of the things people traditionally consider being a doctor/nurse.
The NHS is a victim of its own success - not only is the average age of admission to medical wards above 85 in many places (patients who would simply be already dead in previous decades), the fact that we actually expect people to get better means that any mistakes are a big deal. To try to prevent these doctors and nurses spend probably >50% of their time filling in forms, as well as having to spend time communicating with various specialists, having more meetings, and generally doing a lot less of the things people traditionally consider being a doctor/nurse.
Nice post, when did the change begin?
Original post by HarryDn
Agree or disagree?
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
IMO doctors aren't what they used to be. A lot of other problems too.
I defiantly think so. the only reason I can think of is that the technology used might too advanced to those who aren't even used to it.
also with the increase of A&E patience maybe they have to be really quick with the patients before going to the next one
I've just finished 6 months working n the nhs. Yes it's short staffed, yes it's dangerous at times because of the lack of staff, yes some of the patient care has something to be desired. But this is ALL due to there not being enough money put into the nhs. People don't enjoy their jobs because they are too stressed. Nurses are overworked often doing long shifts with no breaks and underpaid. Doctors work at least 12 hour days often more, the care they provide is the best it can be. The failings are not due to the talent and skill of the staff, it's the lack of support financially and from the government. We are lucky to have an nhs, it's a shame we don't do enough to support it
I completely agree, my recent experience really disappointed me. It's as if doctors don't even care about your health anymore. Well that's my view anyway, if I had more money I would definitely pay for private care.
Yes, NHS service is unfortunately not very good. But what do people expect? If you want a comprehensive welfare state then you cant just import millions of people from the poorest regions of the world and expect it function to any decent standard.
Even if it's not the best healthcare in the world, it's healthcare, and its free. If you drop down with a heart attack you won't have to pay thousands just to look after yourself, and to be honest they'll do a good job of looking after you. You need to remember these are all qualified professionals.
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