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    Between a: Biological Sciences MsCi or the same with Placement?

    I'm sorry i'm young but want to do this in the Future so yes, what is Placement? does it mean you take a 'Year Out'

    I'vd looked on Birmingham University.... The Placement seems to be a BSc but with a Placement while the MSci without placements seems to be a 'Undergraduate Master's course'

    Which one is better to do ?

    Placement or no Placement?
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    (Original post by elmosandy)
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    There's a few types:
    BSc - 3 years, no placement

    BSc with placement - 4 years, take a year out in your (typically) third year - probably writing a project/report about your work like a dissertation but no other work throughout the year, come back and do your final year. Something that puts people off here is your other friends on a BSc course will have graduated, and your MSci friends will be in different lectures/labs all the time so you won't see them much either.

    MSci - 4 years, no placements, first two years often identical to BSc, the research is more "real" in your final year here (third year BSc projects tend to already have the answer, so they can mark it, kinda, whereas an MSci student is doing new research - like you would a separate masters)

    MSci - 4 years, with placement - placement usually in third year again, you work full time for a year (in a role related to biological sciences) and also send back work to the university (self-study modules or sit exams so you're not behind on your return, usually an industrial report/project about something you've been working on, like a dissertation, possibly a presentation or something similar on your return to fourth year). Fourth year as with normal MSci - doing proper research.

    In terms of time efficiency, MSci with a placement is the best way, but the placement year can be quite intense because of the extra work. You usually need higher grades to get through to it because of that. Getting a placement isn't guaranteed though so there's a lot of potential time and effort in second year trying to secure one. The placement year is well worth doing however, as it avoids getting stuck in the "graduate with no experience" rut. You also get paid, get some experience, and possibly even end up with a foot in the door to a job when you graduate.

    Edit: Commonly you can't apply for a BSc with industry, it is usually only awarded if you manage to secure a placement in your second year but fail to get the grades to remain on the MSci. They let you go on placement but swap you to the BSc. Some universities do offer it as a BSc with placement though - just be aware it's not the same everywhere.
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    (Original post by Nymthae)
    There's a few types:
    BSc - 3 years, no placement

    BSc with placement - 4 years, take a year out in your (typically) third year - probably writing a project/report about your work like a dissertation but no other work throughout the year, come back and do your final year. Something that puts people off here is your other friends on a BSc course will have graduated, and your MSci friends will be in different lectures/labs all the time so you won't see them much either.

    MSci - 4 years, no placements, first two years often identical to BSc, the research is more "real" in your final year here (third year BSc projects tend to already have the answer, so they can mark it, kinda, whereas an MSci student is doing new research - like you would a separate masters)

    MSci - 4 years, with placement - placement usually in third year again, you work full time for a year (in a role related to biological sciences) and also send back work to the university (self-study modules or sit exams so you're not behind on your return, usually an industrial report/project about something you've been working on, like a dissertation, possibly a presentation or something similar on your return to fourth year). Fourth year as with normal MSci - doing proper research.

    In terms of time efficiency, MSci with a placement is the best way, but the placement year can be quite intense because of the extra work. You usually need higher grades to get through to it because of that. Getting a placement isn't guaranteed though so there's a lot of potential time and effort in second year trying to secure one. The placement year is well worth doing however, as it avoids getting stuck in the "graduate with no experience" rut. You also get paid, get some experience, and possibly even end up with a foot in the door to a job when you graduate.

    Edit: Commonly you can't apply for a BSc with industry, it is usually only awarded if you manage to secure a placement in your second year but fail to get the grades to remain on the MSci. They let you go on placement but swap you to the BSc. Some universities do offer it as a BSc with placement though - just be aware it's not the same everywhere.

    So basically BSc w/placement you'll be a year behind but with the MSci w/placement you won't be?

    And can I ask do universities lump everyone together? so everyone who is on the BSc no placement will be studying with the people who are on the BSc with Placement?
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    (Original post by elmosandy)
    So basically BSc w/placement you'll be a year behind but with the MSci w/placement you won't be?

    And can I ask do universities lump everyone together? so everyone who is on the BSc no placement will be studying with the people who are on the BSc with Placement?
    Yeah, basically.

    Yes, typically: when you start your year will be comprised of all the BSc with/without placements, and probably all the MSc with/without placements. Where the courses are the same for the first two years that will continue, then in third year all the placement students will disappear, all the BSc remaining will do a normal final year, and all the MSc will go do their separate third year. On return, the MSc students will rejoin their MSc peers and complete fourth and final year, whereas the BSc students who return will complete their final year with the students from the year below (i.e. BSc without placement students,a year younger) as the rest of the BSc students without placements in their year will have graduated.
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    (Original post by Nymthae)
    Yeah, basically.

    Yes, typically: when you start your year will be comprised of all the BSc with/without placements, and probably all the MSc with/without placements. Where the courses are the same for the first two years that will continue, then in third year all the placement students will disappear, all the BSc remaining will do a normal final year, and all the MSc will go do their separate third year. On return, the MSc students will rejoin their MSc peers and complete fourth and final year, whereas the BSc students who return will complete their final year with the students from the year below (i.e. BSc without placement students,a year younger) as the rest of the BSc students without placements in their year will have graduated.
    Sounds like the MSci with Placement is the way to go !

    Thankyou so much
 
 
 
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