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What do you think about conspiracy theories?

What do you think they are about?
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9/11 Conspiracy.

Roswell Area 51 Alien Conspiracy

Global Warming Conspiracy

Princess Diana Conspiracy

Moon Landing Conspiracy

JFK Conspiracy
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do we need anything?
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Sure conspiracy theories are fine, but the 'theory' part confuses people. I think the terminology is mistaken with the scientific concept of a theory.

A scientific theory is considered the best working explanation for something and is the highest position any hypothesis can attain.

A conspiracy theory is not.
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I think people should just do their own research and decide instead of going by what the see on TV or read in the news paper.
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(Original post by JohnCrichton89)
Sure conspiracy theories are fine, but the 'theory' part confuses people. I think the terminology is mistaken with the scientific concept of a theory.

A scientific theory is considered the best working explanation for something and is the highest position any hypothesis can attain.

A conspiracy theory is not.
You're wrong. The only difference between the two types of theory is that conspiracy theories do not find their basis in experiment.

A conspiracy theory could be the best working explanation for something, and a scientific theory could be an awful explanation. It just depends whether the theory is accurate or inaccurate.
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The problem with some conspiracies is that they present arguments that "make sense", but there simply is no evidence to substantiate those claims. The 9/11 conspiracy, for instance, isn't as completely insane as a lot of people make out but the mistake that people who believe in it make is that they're mistaking convenience for evidence. I don't think it's totally unfair to dismiss people who believe in these things as deranged crackpots because in theory there could be some evidence to some of them but to accept them as truth really is nonsense because there simply isn't any evidence.
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You're wrong. The only difference between the two types of theory is that conspiracy theories do not find their basis in experiment.

A conspiracy theory could be the best working explanation for something, and a scientific theory could be an awful explanation. It just depends whether the theory is accurate or inaccurate.
And then five minutes later a scientist does an experiment which blows the latter out of the water, After a few days, the scientific theory has been refined and refined and refined making the conspiracy theory outdated bunkum.
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Mostly no, but it's not big deal that they do exist.
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Some people need them as a comfort blanket. To them, the world is too big and scary, so they need the belief that there is reason and order, that there is some massive secret organisation that runs everything.

To the rational mind, aware of the chaos that is life, they - the conspiracies - are insane and utterly pointless.
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(Original post by Chlorophile)
The problem with some conspiracies is that they present arguments that "make sense", but there simply is no evidence to substantiate those claims. The 9/11 conspiracy, for instance, isn't as completely insane as a lot of people make out but the mistake that people who believe in it make is that they're mistaking convenience for evidence. I don't think it's totally unfair to dismiss people who believe in these things as deranged crackpots because in theory there could be some evidence to some of them but to accept them as truth really is nonsense because there simply isn't any evidence.
I think a lot of them just look for "evidence" to suit their own pre-determined biases. They don't research things and then decide, they decide beforehand and then look for evidence (no matter how awful, false or misrepresented it is) to support it because it's what they want to believe. A bit like creationists (who also dabble in conspiracy theories).
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I think a lot of them just look for "evidence" to suit their own pre-determined biases. They don't research things and then decide, they decide beforehand and then look for evidence (no matter how awful, false or misrepresented it is) to support it because it's what they want to believe. A bit like creationists (who also dabble in conspiracy theories).
Another issue is the fact that conspiracy theorists feel persecuted. Obviously, conspiracy theorists get a lot of ridicule but this simply strengthens their resolve that "ignorance is bliss" and that they alone have uncovered this massive global conspiracy, this sacred knowledge that ordinary people live in bliss of. I think that feeling of being one of the few people to "understand something big" is probably a feeling that drives a lot of them. I think it's partially the fault of the public - a lot of conspiracy theorists are ridiculed not because of the lack of factual basis but because of how outrageous the ideas are. The outrageousness of the idea isn't a problem, there are plenty of large-scale, messed up things that happen in human society. The problem is the lack of evidence.
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(Original post by JohnCrichton89)
Sure conspiracy theories are fine, but the 'theory' part confuses people. I think the terminology is mistaken with the scientific concept of a theory.

A scientific theory is considered the best working explanation for something and is the highest position any hypothesis can attain.

A conspiracy theory is not.
Yeah but you can use science to explain some conspiracy theories, so it's not like they are separate. I think the word 'conspiracy' is very misleading.
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I think people should just do their own research and decide instead of going by what the see on TV or read in the news paper.
Agreed.
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(Original post by Chlorophile)
The problem with some conspiracies is that they present arguments that "make sense", but there simply is no evidence to substantiate those claims. The 9/11 conspiracy, for instance, isn't as completely insane as a lot of people make out but the mistake that people who believe in it make is that they're mistaking convenience for evidence. I don't think it's totally unfair to dismiss people who believe in these things as deranged crackpots because in theory there could be some evidence to some of them but to accept them as truth really is nonsense because there simply isn't any evidence.
Indeed,but, some of the best ideas, inventions, theories etc.. have come from crackpot individuals.
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Indeed,but, some of the best ideas, inventions, theories etc.. have come from crackpot individuals.
Yes but there's a difference between an individual who goes against the mainstream because they have a genuine reason and evidence to support their intuition and someone who believes in some massive global system just because of some convenient events.
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Some people need them as a comfort blanket. To them, the world is too big and scary, so they need the belief that there is reason and order, that there is some massive secret organisation that runs everything.

To the rational mind, aware of the chaos that is life, they - the conspiracies - are insane and utterly pointless.

I'm assuming you considering yourself as one of rational thought...whatever that may be; How do you know that they are "insane and utterly pointless."

Also are you speaking about the Illuminati?
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I think it's worthwhile to be sceptical of what government and media doles out as 'truth', but the important thing is to stick to the evidence and only believe as far as the evidence permits.

There certainly are conspiracies (US government implicated in the assassination of Martin Luther King, the MK ULTRA programme abducting homeless people and torturing them for research, the Joint Chiefs signing off on a black flag attack against their own country to gain public support for a war with Cuba, etc.) - but there are a lot more false theories than true ones.
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(Original post by Chlorophile)
Yes but there's a difference between an individual who goes against the mainstream because they have a genuine reason and evidence to support their intuition and someone who believes in some massive global system just because of some convenient events.
I think it's hard to tell the difference, their born out of something, there is reason why there is doubt in what we are told and I think rightly so. As long as it's not hurting anyone, they should be so easily dismissed.
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