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Scared to leave the house...
Appologies as this is long but please have the patience for me to explain the situation.
Basically, when I was 13 my mum granted my constant wish for me to have a dog which I was delighted with.
I chose a lovely Border Collie which was so cute and calm and was overjoyed.
About 18 months later a very nasty experience happened to me whilst my dog was playing on our frontage waiting for my family to get ready and take him for a walk.
Basically this man along with his wife walked past, and as our dog was still quite young he ran out wanting to sniff / play with the dog.
The man who was with the woman and their other three dogs immediately assumed that my dog was running out to attack their dog, which simply was not the case.
The reason why he may have thought that is because my dog growls when he sees other dogs, but in no way is this aggressive, he just gets very excited.
Anyway, in response to this preconceived idea this man whipped my dog!!
As my dog is not aggressive, he didn't react and just trotted off away, shaking with fear.
My Dad ran out to the man and there was a massive row in the middle of the lane which was extremely embarassing as we live in a rural neighbourhood and everyone knows everyone's business (you get the picture).
I couldn't believe how evil this man had been to such an innocent dog and was so angry at him but being only 13/14 I couldn't really do much.
A couple more encounters with this same man happened although there was no contact between our dogs so there was no argument or anything, just severe awkwardness walking past eachother, which isn't pleasant.
This had been the norm say once a month (the live in the next village, and walk through our village on a little circuit), and as there was no contact, I was becoming comfortable as we knew where we stood with eachother.
However, all this changed about 2 months ago where I walked out onto our lane and saw these people with their dogs.
As soon as I saw them I was in a panick as my dog was too far ahead of me for me to be able to call him back in time, and due to what this man did to him, my dog (I'll call him Louie from now on) reacts very defiensively and probably would attack if he felt in danger. However, don't start thinking he is like this to all people, these people are the only people he does this too.
Anyway, as I feared my dog ran up to these people and sniffed and tried to play with their dogs.
Immediately this dog took a dislike to Louie and a massive dog fight broke out in the middle of the lane.
I was almost having a nervous breakdown by this time and sprinted towards Louie and luckily before any major / life threatening damage was done I managed to break the two dogs up.
After this, Louie did the same thing that happened about 2 and a half years ago and shook in fear whil their dogs continued to bark / growl.
I went over to Louie as obviously he was my main concern and made sure he was fine luckily he was (tiny bite-mark above his eye, little blood drawn).
About two seconds later (this all happened very quickly) the man kicked Louie in the chest, and he has big hard boots on as well.
I immediately defended Louie and myself by saying "How dare you kick my dog" and at this remark I think he realised just how unreasonable he had been and started to walk off.
However, his wife then joined the argument and accused Louie of being aggressive.
As I was full of adrenaline I defended my self against her aswell saying "You're dogs are the one's that are agressive" (this whole thing started even before the first encounter when 2/3 of their dogs ran onto our frontage and bit Louie!)
After I said that she backed off aswell, and I thought everything was over, however, the man (probably angry due to the fact I argues back at his wife) then started up the row again saying "Why don't you bloody well piss off!"
I replied saying "No, this is our lane"
He took that remark as if he thought that I think that I own the lane and no-one has the right to walk down it.
When infact I mean that it is the lane that I live on so why should I p*** off, which he seemed to miss the point of.
In response to what I said he naively replied "This is a public road and anyone has the right to walk down it, so PISS OFF!"
This was the end of the confrontation and then him and his wife walked off and I too, walked in the opposite direction, however I was pleased that I was not the one who walked away first.
As you must all think, this is deeply stressful for someone in the middle of their A-Levels and this really got to me and I was in tears when I came home due to the shock / trauma as it all happened so quickly and unexpectedly. It took me about 2/3 weeks to fully put it behind me.
I was 'recovering' nicley from the ordeal until this morning when I took Louie for a walk, and I met him!
Luckily I managed to grab Louie's lead and avoid a confrontation but it has just reminded me of all that happened, just when the memories were beginning to fade.
This man is one of those people who looks like they've come from an army background and are stict on control / order.
I also think that he challenges my view of keeping Louie off the lead, as I believe restricting a dog from interaction only makes the situation worse. As this is my view I am certain that his aim is to make me walk him on a lead which is something I simply refuse to do inless in a town / city.
Either that, or he has personal problems and is on an ego trip, terrorising people who younger / more decent to make himself feel in control.
Im soooo sorry for the length of this but I couldn't really cut it down without comprimising detail.
What are everyone's views on this?
Basically, when I was 13 my mum granted my constant wish for me to have a dog which I was delighted with.
I chose a lovely Border Collie which was so cute and calm and was overjoyed.
About 18 months later a very nasty experience happened to me whilst my dog was playing on our frontage waiting for my family to get ready and take him for a walk.
Basically this man along with his wife walked past, and as our dog was still quite young he ran out wanting to sniff / play with the dog.
The man who was with the woman and their other three dogs immediately assumed that my dog was running out to attack their dog, which simply was not the case.
The reason why he may have thought that is because my dog growls when he sees other dogs, but in no way is this aggressive, he just gets very excited.
Anyway, in response to this preconceived idea this man whipped my dog!!
As my dog is not aggressive, he didn't react and just trotted off away, shaking with fear.
My Dad ran out to the man and there was a massive row in the middle of the lane which was extremely embarassing as we live in a rural neighbourhood and everyone knows everyone's business (you get the picture).
I couldn't believe how evil this man had been to such an innocent dog and was so angry at him but being only 13/14 I couldn't really do much.
A couple more encounters with this same man happened although there was no contact between our dogs so there was no argument or anything, just severe awkwardness walking past eachother, which isn't pleasant.
This had been the norm say once a month (the live in the next village, and walk through our village on a little circuit), and as there was no contact, I was becoming comfortable as we knew where we stood with eachother.
However, all this changed about 2 months ago where I walked out onto our lane and saw these people with their dogs.
As soon as I saw them I was in a panick as my dog was too far ahead of me for me to be able to call him back in time, and due to what this man did to him, my dog (I'll call him Louie from now on) reacts very defiensively and probably would attack if he felt in danger. However, don't start thinking he is like this to all people, these people are the only people he does this too.
Anyway, as I feared my dog ran up to these people and sniffed and tried to play with their dogs.
Immediately this dog took a dislike to Louie and a massive dog fight broke out in the middle of the lane.
I was almost having a nervous breakdown by this time and sprinted towards Louie and luckily before any major / life threatening damage was done I managed to break the two dogs up.
After this, Louie did the same thing that happened about 2 and a half years ago and shook in fear whil their dogs continued to bark / growl.
I went over to Louie as obviously he was my main concern and made sure he was fine luckily he was (tiny bite-mark above his eye, little blood drawn).
About two seconds later (this all happened very quickly) the man kicked Louie in the chest, and he has big hard boots on as well.
I immediately defended Louie and myself by saying "How dare you kick my dog" and at this remark I think he realised just how unreasonable he had been and started to walk off.
However, his wife then joined the argument and accused Louie of being aggressive.
As I was full of adrenaline I defended my self against her aswell saying "You're dogs are the one's that are agressive" (this whole thing started even before the first encounter when 2/3 of their dogs ran onto our frontage and bit Louie!)
After I said that she backed off aswell, and I thought everything was over, however, the man (probably angry due to the fact I argues back at his wife) then started up the row again saying "Why don't you bloody well piss off!"
I replied saying "No, this is our lane"
He took that remark as if he thought that I think that I own the lane and no-one has the right to walk down it.
When infact I mean that it is the lane that I live on so why should I p*** off, which he seemed to miss the point of.
In response to what I said he naively replied "This is a public road and anyone has the right to walk down it, so PISS OFF!"
This was the end of the confrontation and then him and his wife walked off and I too, walked in the opposite direction, however I was pleased that I was not the one who walked away first.
As you must all think, this is deeply stressful for someone in the middle of their A-Levels and this really got to me and I was in tears when I came home due to the shock / trauma as it all happened so quickly and unexpectedly. It took me about 2/3 weeks to fully put it behind me.
I was 'recovering' nicley from the ordeal until this morning when I took Louie for a walk, and I met him!
Luckily I managed to grab Louie's lead and avoid a confrontation but it has just reminded me of all that happened, just when the memories were beginning to fade.
This man is one of those people who looks like they've come from an army background and are stict on control / order.
I also think that he challenges my view of keeping Louie off the lead, as I believe restricting a dog from interaction only makes the situation worse. As this is my view I am certain that his aim is to make me walk him on a lead which is something I simply refuse to do inless in a town / city.
Either that, or he has personal problems and is on an ego trip, terrorising people who younger / more decent to make himself feel in control.
Im soooo sorry for the length of this but I couldn't really cut it down without comprimising detail.
What are everyone's views on this?
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Reply 3
I dont really see why you are scared to leave the house, its just a bit of a neighbourly spat, as above he has noway to know what your dog is like, all he sees is him running towards his dogs growling. I think you are overracting a little to be honest.
Reply 4
1) Buy a lead for your dog so this doesnt happen in future (perhaps one of those extendable types)
2) Learn the phrase "piss off you *****ing **********"
2) Learn the phrase "piss off you *****ing **********"
Reply 5
Well, thanks for everyone's support
Reply 6
Hang on a minute, I think people are being a lil unfair. If I was in this situation, that man would probably intimidate me, especially seeing how readily he attacks things in front of younger people. Also being quite shy, would mean that yeah, I prob would be scared of him. Also growing up in a rural neighbourhood, you're used to everyone being nice to each other and it comes as a shock when you encounter something like this. Maybe take the dog for a walk with a mate/go with a neighbour who has a dog if it makes you feel safer?
Good luck
Good luck
Reply 7
c@luvr
Hang on a minute, I think people are being a lil unfair. If I was in this situation, that man would probably intimidate me, especially seeing how readily he attacks things in front of younger people. Also being quite shy, would mean that yeah, I prob would be scared of him. Also growing up in a rural neighbourhood, you're used to everyone being nice to each other and it comes as a shock when you encounter something like this. Maybe take the dog for a walk with a mate/go with a neighbour who has a dog if it makes you feel safer?
Good luck
Good luck
Thank God someone here has the ability to see this from my perspective. Like you say I have always been naturally shy and this is a shock in a rural neighbourhood.
The thing is I am not scared of him personally, it's the fact that I am scared of what he will do to my dog next time this happens / if it happens again, which is likely as we are moving no time soon.
God knows what he'll do next? Poke him in the eye? Boot him even harder in the face?
Also, to the people above who have said that he was right to do what he did as he didn't know what my dog was going to do to him when he ran up to him...
If a dog ran up to you would you immediately wip it / boot it in the face if it hadn't even sone anything to you?
If my dog had actually done something malicious then ofcourse he has the right to do that, but the fact it, he didn't!!
Reply 8
errr, isnt that doggy assault or something?
call the RSPCA
call the RSPCA
I'd ring the RSPCA (he did physically abuse your dog, who whatever it looked like actualyl did nothing) my aunts dog always has his hackles up and growls when other dogs are near (only when he's with me- obviously thinks I need protecting!!) but would do NOTHING!!
I would try and avoid him, maybe only put your dog off the lead in a field/away from 'your' (I know what you mean!!) lane- as someone else said the entending ones are not restrictive but do the trick when needs be for when you're near your house....I personally would be *VERY* inclined to boot anyone back who hurt my animal- I once beat someone up for abusing their horse....but maybe that's not the best bet...
Good luck 
I would try and avoid him, maybe only put your dog off the lead in a field/away from 'your' (I know what you mean!!) lane- as someone else said the entending ones are not restrictive but do the trick when needs be for when you're near your house....I personally would be *VERY* inclined to boot anyone back who hurt my animal- I once beat someone up for abusing their horse....but maybe that's not the best bet...
Good luck Reply 10
Anonymous
If my dog had actually done something malicious then ofcourse he has the right to do that, but the fact it, he didn't!!
If my dog had actually done something malicious then ofcourse he has the right to do that, but the fact it, he didn't!!
I'm sorry to say but growling is malicious. And ofcourse I'm not condoning what he did, it was wrong, but I also don't think you're dog was as blameless a victim as you are trying to make out.
Reply 11
loser88
I'd ring the RSPCA (he did physically abuse your dog, who whatever it looked like actualyl did nothing) my aunts dog always has his hackles up and growls when other dogs are near (only when he's with me- obviously thinks I need protecting!!) but would do NOTHING!!
I would try and avoid him, maybe only put your dog off the lead in a field/away from 'your' (I know what you mean!!) lane- as someone else said the entending ones are not restrictive but do the trick when needs be for when you're near your house....I personally would be *VERY* inclined to boot anyone back who hurt my animal- I once beat someone up for abusing their horse....but maybe that's not the best bet... Good luck
I would try and avoid him, maybe only put your dog off the lead in a field/away from 'your' (I know what you mean!!) lane- as someone else said the entending ones are not restrictive but do the trick when needs be for when you're near your house....I personally would be *VERY* inclined to boot anyone back who hurt my animal- I once beat someone up for abusing their horse....but maybe that's not the best bet...
Good luck ^ Yes I think your advice is very sensible and it's obvious you have experience with dogs as you seem to understand the situation.
That cannot be said for 'squigaletta' on the other hand - "I'm sorry to say but growling is malicious."
I'm sorry to say that you obviously know nothing about dogs. Whipping / kicking a dog is not appropriate behaviour towards a dog that is growling.
Growling is not even aggressive in my dog, it's just excitement.
Keep your dog under control in future. That's the law. If you don't want him on a lead then don't, but never let him get "too far ahead of me for me to be able to call him back in time" because that's out of control.
If you keep your own dog under control, you don't have anything to worry about.
If you keep your own dog under control, you don't have anything to worry about.
Reply 13
If he pokes your dog in the eye his finger-print will be on your dog. Same with the boot-prints.
This reminds me of my dog. I was so little at the time and I wanted to lift my dog up. I managed to lift him up all right but he became heavier... and I was on the roof... and I dropped the dog... and he SPLATTERED after dropping down 6ft under the ground.
This reminds me of my dog. I was so little at the time and I wanted to lift my dog up. I managed to lift him up all right but he became heavier... and I was on the roof... and I dropped the dog... and he SPLATTERED after dropping down 6ft under the ground.
Reply 15
Anonymous
^ Yes I think your advice is very sensible and it's obvious you have experience with dogs as you seem to understand the situation.
That cannot be said for 'squigaletta' on the other hand - "I'm sorry to say but growling is malicious."
I'm sorry to say that you obviously know nothing about dogs. Whipping / kicking a dog is not appropriate behaviour towards a dog that is growling.
Growling is not even aggressive in my dog, it's just excitement.
That cannot be said for 'squigaletta' on the other hand - "I'm sorry to say but growling is malicious."
I'm sorry to say that you obviously know nothing about dogs. Whipping / kicking a dog is not appropriate behaviour towards a dog that is growling.
Growling is not even aggressive in my dog, it's just excitement.
I beg your pardon, but I have had dogs all my life, and I have had the same problem. Our dog, (would never hurt a fly, vey sweet dog) bounded up to someone barking and growling in what I knew to be a non agressive way. The man kicked her, phoned the RSPCA and they came around telling us that it was our reponsibility to control our dog. So we didn't complain about the bad man. We fitted gates at the end of our drive so she couldn't do it again. Don't pass judgment on my experience, I do not comment on issues I am ignorant of.
It's hard to say whether the man's reactions were justifiable not having been there to see, although they do sound rather extreme.
What is undeniable though, is your irresponsibility as a dog owner. First off the fact that you actually walk your dog is fantastic as so many people don't, especially considering you own a Border Collie which need so much stimulation (one of the last breeds of dog I would recommend for a first time 13 year old dog owner, they need knowledgeable owners). You must keep your dog on a lead if you do not have absolute control of it off lead. It is unacceptable behaviour for your dogs to run at other dogs. So often if I'm walking my dog another strange dog may come running at us with the owner lagging behind shouting 'It's okay he's friendly' - what happens if mine is not? Such an attitude shows no consideration for others.
When was the last time you and your dog went to a training class?
What is undeniable though, is your irresponsibility as a dog owner. First off the fact that you actually walk your dog is fantastic as so many people don't, especially considering you own a Border Collie which need so much stimulation (one of the last breeds of dog I would recommend for a first time 13 year old dog owner, they need knowledgeable owners). You must keep your dog on a lead if you do not have absolute control of it off lead. It is unacceptable behaviour for your dogs to run at other dogs. So often if I'm walking my dog another strange dog may come running at us with the owner lagging behind shouting 'It's okay he's friendly' - what happens if mine is not? Such an attitude shows no consideration for others.
When was the last time you and your dog went to a training class?
Dogs behavior is very complex, as it is based on pack mentality from wolves. Your dog is likely to try and protect you, it sees itself as head of the pack (this is where trainign comes in, to show that your are head of the pack, and don't need protecting).
Aso dogs tend to be inquisitive, social, and act in self defense. One will go over to another and very quickly a fight can break out and the blame can't really be attributed.
Violence towards animals solves nothing, it might even provoke them. your dog in this example may have a particular dislike for this man now, and will probably growl at him- understandable really. But doesnt help your situation if you meet him again.
Be confident, and keep your dog on a lead wherever possible. We have had problems with people acusing our dog of being agressive, when shes just been to freindly, annoyed the other dog and so on.
Aso dogs tend to be inquisitive, social, and act in self defense. One will go over to another and very quickly a fight can break out and the blame can't really be attributed.
Violence towards animals solves nothing, it might even provoke them. your dog in this example may have a particular dislike for this man now, and will probably growl at him- understandable really. But doesnt help your situation if you meet him again.
Be confident, and keep your dog on a lead wherever possible. We have had problems with people acusing our dog of being agressive, when shes just been to freindly, annoyed the other dog and so on.
Anonymous
^ Yes I think your advice is very sensible and it's obvious you have experience with dogs as you seem to understand the situation.
That cannot be said for 'squigaletta' on the other hand - "I'm sorry to say but growling is malicious."
I'm sorry to say that you obviously know nothing about dogs. Whipping / kicking a dog is not appropriate behaviour towards a dog that is growling.
Growling is not even aggressive in my dog, it's just excitement.
That cannot be said for 'squigaletta' on the other hand - "I'm sorry to say but growling is malicious."
I'm sorry to say that you obviously know nothing about dogs. Whipping / kicking a dog is not appropriate behaviour towards a dog that is growling.
Growling is not even aggressive in my dog, it's just excitement.
Please try and accept advice even if it's not what you want to hear; people take the time to reply to your problems and they should be at least considered rather than just dismissed as "knowing nothing".
Saying that, I think it's outrageous that a man should kick a dog, and even worse in front of its owner - that just shows he has absolutely no moral standards at all. Whatever the dog was doing, it is not humane to hurt it. However, though it seems as if you could make a complaint, I would advise you not to, because it could get nasty - the man could argue that your dog was being aggressive or threatening to his dog, and it would just get a bit dangerous for your dog. Try to ignore the man's bad behaviour; if you pass him ever, just ignore him - and another time if you get into a conflict, just keep it as quiet and simple as possible. Let him be unreasonable and work himself up into a frenzy, and you can be silent and secure in the knowledge that you're taking the moral high ground.
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