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Maxine Carr

It really is rediculous the way that the media are treating her. It has been shown that huntley beat her and that she was scared of him. She thought he was innorcent and so she lied. That wasn't right but now she has served her time she should be allowed out and she should be allowed to lead a normal life if possible. I think it is appaling the way that some papers seem to be making her out to be worse than huntley.

Reply 21

Fluffy

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randdom

It really is rediculous the way that the media are treating her. It has been shown that huntley beat her and that she was scared of him. She thought he was innorcent and so she lied. That wasn't right but now she has served her time she should be allowed out and she should be allowed to lead a normal life if possible. I think it is appaling the way that some papers seem to be making her out to be worse than huntley.

Alongside half of this board! Did you see the thread about 'evil' a week or so back. Picked out Hindley and Carr, but was there any mention of Bradey or Huntley.....

Reply 22

randdom

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Fluffy

Alongside half of this board! Did you see the thread about 'evil' a week or so back. Picked out Hindley and Carr, but was there any mention of Bradey or Huntley.....

I think for some reason women who commit crimes of this nature are generally considered to be evil and coniving where as men aren't. I really don't understand why. Maybe it is because people think that women should have maternal instincts which mean that they aren't involved associated with child killers. I really don't know why but I think it is a really bad thing.

Reply 23

muncrun

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JeSuS_sLiCeR

some1 nicked all the important documents containing numbers and addresses. i hope they find her and torture real slow.

So you don't think that this woman has served her time for what she did? As mentioned above in the thread I get the impression that she did what she did out of fear. I think she was a victim of her own naivety.

I think it's wrong for people like you to vilify Miss Carr further. Justice has been served and I feel confident that she has been rehabilitated of any wrongs she had in her.

In answering the question of the thread starter I think it's wholly appropriate that protection be given. In my opinion, the mob mentality of those that want to go after her is far more criminal than her state of mind ever was.

Reply 24

material breach

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vienna95

her new details have been stolen....a1 cock up.

sometimes the power of the minority needs to be exercised against the majority. carr has served her time and deserves to be left in peace.

for once i agree totally with you, spot on in as few words as possible.

Reply 25

LH

15

Some people get to worked up about Maxine Carr, they forget that she isn't a murderer.

Reply 26

Big P

Amb1

Do you think all this effort + money should be spent on keeping ex-cons safe? If it's predicted that this woman will be hounded by the public (demonstrating that the majority don't think she should be free to roam the streets), should she really be kept under lock + key??? What are your opinions on the "great lengths" taken to protect such people? How great should these lengths be?

Why cant people just leave her alone. Shes obviously sorry and her only crime was to try and help her bf. Its not like she killed the girls herself or planned it

Reply 27

chats

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i feel a bit sorry 4 her, but there was no need to lie.

Reply 28

Amb1

OP

1

Just felt the need to say that I also think that she's done her time and should be left alone. But all the effort and money that goes into protecting her is all due to pre-empting some kind of attack. I know that it must be horrible to have to move to somewhere different and try to get on with your life after something as high profile this, but what if no-one was going to hound her anyway? I'm sure if someone is that desparate to attack the woman they'll find some way of getting to her. Where should the line be drawn in cases like this one? If she were continually hounded in this country who should pay for her to be relocated???

Reply 29

LongGone

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Lord Huntroyde

Some people get to worked up about Maxine Carr, they forget that she isn't a murderer.

I know. They somehow seem to equate lying with murder. :confused:

Reply 30

Vienna

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Big P

Shes obviously sorry and her only crime was to try and help her bf.

i dont think its obvious because we dont know her. the only crime being perverting the course of justice in a murder case.

Reply 31

llama boy

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Amb1

What are your opinions on the "great lengths" taken to protect such people? How great should these lengths be?

Enough to keep them safe. ie only a level of service that should be provided to any member of the country under such a threat.

Seems Maxine has become the new Myra, people aren't going to let the fact that she wasn't complicit in the death of the girls get in the way of that.

Men who commit murder are said to have committed one cardinal sin; to kill. Women who do so have broken two; to kill and to act in an unladylike fashion.

Reply 32

txt_eva

socialist cook

I totally agree, and the constant hounding from the media takes away one of the aims of a prison sentence- to rehabilitate. But then again that's another debate :wink:

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Try me to find you over 'ere....

As for Ms Carr, I personally think it would e cheaper and safer to ship her over to Aussie or somewhere... only then might she escape the media...

Reply 33

wiwarin_mir

Amb1

Do you think all this effort + money should be spent on keeping ex-cons safe? If it's predicted that this woman will be hounded by the public (demonstrating that the majority don't think she should be free to roam the streets), should she really be kept under lock + key??? What are your opinions on the "great lengths" taken to protect such people? How great should these lengths be?

Well I think she should not have the protection if she refuses to have plastic surgery to alter the way she looks and the fact she's going back to an area that she is well known in.

Reply 34

superomega1

everytime i see her on the tv i cry with fear. why? because she's so frikkin' ugly

Reply 35

Dr. Blazed

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superomega1

everytime i see her on the tv i cry with fear. why? because she's so frikkin' ugly

She is actually exceptionally repulsive. Cart her off to Australia.

Reply 36

Trousers

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wiwarin_mir

Well I think she should not have the protection if she refuses to have plastic surgery to alter the way she looks and the fact she's going back to an area that she is well known in.

I didn't think she was going back to her home town. As far as I know, she requested to be sent somewhere that isn't too far from her mum, but she could be anywhere. If she went back to Grimsby she'd be lynched.

Also, she looks different now - the papers have been banned from commenting on her change in appearance, so I imagine this means more than a quick trim at Toni & Guy's.

Reply 37

viviki

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Amb1

Just felt the need to say that I also think that she's done her time and should be left alone. But all the effort and money that goes into protecting her is all due to pre-empting some kind of attack. I know that it must be horrible to have to move to somewhere different and try to get on with your life after something as high profile this, but what if no-one was going to hound her anyway? I'm sure if someone is that desparate to attack the woman they'll find some way of getting to her. Where should the line be drawn in cases like this one? If she were continually hounded in this country who should pay for her to be relocated???

if she gets murdered because she isnt protected by the police, the investigation, trial and probable public inquiry would cost more money than relocating her. Plus it would give the police and government very bad press.

Reply 38

RieLouise

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The following pretty much sums up my view of the whole matter:
(© The Spectator :
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?table=old&section=current&issue=2004-05-15&id=4616 )

Misogyny
It is an unfortunate facet of modern life that many parents feel they cannot let their children play outside by themselves for fear of their meeting a similar fate to that which befell Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in Soham on the evening of 4 August 2002. It is no less unfortunate that when Maxine Carr, the former fiancée of Holly and Jessica’s murderer, Ian Huntley, leaves jail this weekend she will have to change her identity and go to live in an unnamed town many miles from her home town of Grimsby.

What Ms Carr did was wrong. When questioned by police about her movements on the evening Holly and Jessica were murdered, she lied that she had been in Soham rather than Grimsby. For nearly two weeks she kept up the pretence of knowing nothing about the girls’ disappearance, when as we now know she participated in Huntley’s attempts to cover up his crime. Quite properly, Maxine Carr was found guilty of conspiring to pervert the course of justice and sentenced to three and a half years in jail. Taking into account the time she served in jail on remand, and parole, to which most prisoners are entitled, Ms Carr’s sentence ends this weekend.

And that is where her role in the affair should be laid to rest. She ought to be allowed to rebuild her life, hopefully as a more sensible and mature woman than the insecure flirt she was when she fell for Ian Huntley. But at present it seems unlikely that she will be allowed to do so in peace. On her several court appearances, Ms Carr has appeared to be in danger from the baying mob. The van in which she has been transported has been thumped and rocked; abuse has been shouted at her. Photographs have appeared in the tabloids of a smiling Carr exercising in jail, annotated with the suggestion that she is not being properly punished. Not content with this vilification, the tabloids have asserted on their front pages that the money being spent to resettle her under a new identity is a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Possibly as a result of the public revulsion felt towards her, a decision was made by the Crown Prosecution Service to prosecute Maxine Carr this week on 20 counts of benefit fraud and lying in job applications, dating back to when she was a teenager. Although these, too, are offences deserving of punishment, it is hard to escape the suspicion that these prosecutions were undertaken at this late stage only because of her part in the Soham case. How many other 27-year olds are charged with fibbing in a job application when they were 19?

It is worrying enough when the mob descends upon a prisoner; more worrying still when, as a result of public pressure, state prosecutors feel they have to exaggerate a prisoner’s punishment over and above that which would be meted out to other prisoners in similar circumstances. To study the vilification of Maxine Carr, it is hard to remember that she has neither killed nor helped to kill anyone. Her crime was that of covering up for a man whom she loved and feared. Does she really deserve to be hated more than the hundreds of murderers who inhabit our jails in blissful obscurity?

This magazine is not prone to side with whinging feminists, but Maxine Carr’s treatment does raise the question: is her vilification not in part down to her being a woman? When men and women are accused of similar crimes, there seems to be an unfortunate tendency for the women to attract the greater public fascination and revulsion. There can be few people who do not now know the name of Lynndie England, the ‘trailer-park trash’ pictured in many of the photographs to have emerged from Abu Ghraib jail. Yet who can name the grinning mustachioed figure who appeared in several of the shots alongside her? Admittedly, Ms England was the star of the show in the photographs but it is hard to believe that she was the ringleader: more a foolish girl caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There is little our leaders can do to dampen the irrational excesses of public opinion, but they might at least stop pandering to them. Sadly, our politicians, and some of those charged with dispensing justice, seem increasingly unable to resist this temptation. Lost among last week’s other news was the case of Jose da Silva, a Portuguese plumber jailed by magistrates for causing a security alert at Birmingham airport after leaving his bag unattended while he went outside to smoke. This, on the same day that the Sentencing Advisory Panel proposed that muggers who use ‘minimal violence’ should be spared jail.

Whether it be the result of fear of terrorism or revulsion at the murder of two children, it is dangerous when the rule of law becomes governed by emotion. It is in cases such as Maxine Carr’s that a society has the chance to prove itself to be civilised. So far, we are falling some way short of the test.

Reply 39

RieLouise

1

Dr. Blazed

She is actually exceptionally repulsive. Cart her off to Australia.

in what way?

Maxine Carr

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