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"Islamlist attract the worst type of losers for jihads" -says Johnson. Do you agree? watch

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    Johnson made some candid remarks about the type of person that get involved in the highly politicised form of ideology known as islamist doctrine. being quoting a report into islamic extremism in the muslim community, he stated that "If you look at all the psychological profiling, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists.
    They will be very badly adjusted in their relations with women, and that is a symptom of their feeling of being failures and that the world is against them."

    it can be seen that many form the muslim community that have joined groups like IS have been mal-adjusted individuals, with little successes or stake in society. and many converts to islam came from a background of crime and incarceration, no doubt building a general grudge against society.
    the problem seems to be much more prevalent in the current generation of young muslims, who are more susceptible to various forms of well managed online propaganda from groups like IS. the same levels of recruitment form the west were not prevalent 20 or 30 years ago

    Do agree with boris summation about why this current generation of muslims are attracted to islamist ideology?
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    Demonstrably false, every other week/month here in the UK a 'well to do' middle class Muslim (even some with successful medical school applications) runs off to join the Jihad struggle.

    Middle class families cant figure out why their three sons, Mohammed/Muhammed/Mohammad respectively, all ran off to enslave, murder and rape non-Muslims citing Islam as their cause.




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    (Original post by JohnCrichton89)
    Demonstrably false, every other week/month here in the UK a 'well to do' middle class Muslim (even some with successful medical school applications) runs off to join the Jihad struggle.

    Middle class families cant figure out why their three sons, Mohammed/Muhammed/Mohammad respectively, all ran off to enslave, murder and rape non-Muslims citing Islam as their cause.




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    hardly three poster boys of 'successful middle class' - even if they had got into caridff medical school, their father was hard-working tv repair man-regardless, this example you pull out form last summer is not representative of most of the people known to have become affiliated with islamist ideology, more the exception. Boris was talking more widely about the muslim communites in west as a whole not just here, looking at those involved in france, germany, sweden and indeed here, most have been either known ex -criminals or social mistfits and 'losers' to use his words who found some 'sense' to the words in the islamist doctrine.
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    (Original post by ICF)
    hardly three poster boys of 'successful middle class' - even if they had got into caridff medical school, their father was hard-working tv repair man-regardless, this example you pull out form last summer is not representative of most of the people known to have become affiliated with islamist ideology, more the exception. Boris was talking more widely about the muslim communites in west as a whole not just here, looking at those involved in france, germany, sweden and indeed here, most have been either known ex -criminals or social mistfits and 'losers' to use his words who found some 'sense' to the words in the islamist doctrine.
    So when a European born Muslim shoots up the offices of a satirical magazine for blasphemy, and openly tells us it's in the name of Islam you think...........it's our fault for not educating him and giving him the same opportunities as everyone else?

    I must have misunderstood, that couldn't be what you think.
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    (Original post by JohnCrichton89)
    So when a European born Muslim shoots up the offices of a satirical magazine for blasphemy, and openly tells us it's in the name of Islam you think...........it's our fault for not educating him and giving him the same opportunities as everyone else?

    I must have misunderstood, that couldn't be what you think.
    each and every muslim born here ( even those that are not) have the same opportunities given to them as anyone else, certainly every other immigrant. They are afforded education, a welfare state etc again to a far greater extent than almost certainly the islamic countires they ethnically originated from . And certainly there are various other immigrant groups, largely non-muslim, that have succeed in society to a far greater extent, and certainly arnt lured into islamist type crimes. these arn my personal ideas, boris johnson made some statements, which i suppose in part have some truth in them. the pattern is also repeated not jsut in the uk but pretty much all other european countries
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    (Original post by ICF)
    each and every muslim born here ( even those that are not) have the same opportunities given to them as anyone else, certainly every other immigrant. They are afforded education, a welfare state etc again to a far greater extent than almost certainly the islamic countires they ethnically originated from . And certainly there are various other immigrant groups, largely non-muslim, that have succeed in society to a far greater extent, and certainly arnt lured into islamist type crimes. these arn my personal ideas, boris johnson made some statements, which i suppose in part have some truth in them. the pattern is also repeated not jsut in the uk but pretty much all other european countries
    But in order to substantiate these claims you would have to contrast the percentage of those that took to extremism from middle class versus under class.

    Putting that aside.

    There are many poverty stricken demographics that simply do not turn to such intolerant violence, even those that do self destruct are nowhere near as threatening to society as a whole quite simply because they aren't Muslim.

    There is an infrastructure within Islam for enacting ones own self destruction and maximising societal destruction that is built around the premise of destroying non-Muslim demographics. Would you agree ?
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    I think it's quite a well-worn, and here rather transparent, device in agenda setting to disparage the type of person who might join a group we don't want people to join. If you can forge in the popular imagination an association between jihadism and sexual failure, then you make jihadism seem very much less appealing as a pose.

    The evidence here, though, seems rather weak. All men are ''literally ******s''. They are in their late teens and look at porn online, do they? He might as well have said ''the profile suggests that they periodically expel noxious gases from their bottoms'' for all that this unappealing circumstance can be claimed as somehow individuating.
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    It's demonstrably true.

    Being involved in jihad is for people who are generally aimless and not involved in anything. They find jihad as a sense of group belonging and achievement. This is the case with the 9/11 bombers, Madrid bombers, 7/7 bombers and I would suspect the Paris shooters.

    They're generally people with little religious education, little real interest in religion, involved in low-level crime and the biggest single marker of being involved in jihad appears to be who you play football with. A lot of them meet through shared interests and ultimately get put together with facilitators through drug dealers or pimps.

    These people are generally losers who set off to find big deeds, end up in training camps where they get treated like dirt by the hardcore fighters like the Chechens and Bosnians - and told to go away and sort themselves out in their "home" countries. Most of them give up and do something else. Some put together half-baked plots and get arrested. One or two of them succeed.
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    (Original post by JohnCrichton89)
    But in order to substantiate these claims you would have to contrast the percentage of those that took to extremism from middle class versus under class. ?
    i think he is saying is that the majority of western islamists and jihadists are the 'losers' of society and not middle or upper class at all - that is the point made. perhaps highlighted by the fact that muslim communities suffer greatly from poverty and less education than some other more successful non-islamic immigrant groups.

    certainly apart from a handful of medics/students its not difficult to see the normal supply of sacrifical sheep the islamic groups work on are ex-convicts, angry/depressed loners or those simply dis-satisifed with their achievements and status in western society. I mean i doubt it would be as easy to convince a man with millions in the bank, a nice house and lively sex life to blow him self up tomorrow for promise of 72 imaginery virgins

    (Original post by JohnCrichton89)
    Putting that aside.

    There are many poverty stricken demographics that simply do not turn to such intolerant violence, even those that do self destruct are nowhere near as threatening to society as a whole quite simply because they aren't Muslim. ?
    you can argue extreme poverty and lack of education fuels crimes of other types in society, islamic groups seem to draw from the same pool to fuel their islamically driven political aims.

    (Original post by JohnCrichton89)

    There is an infrastructure within Islam for enacting ones own self destruction and maximising societal destruction that is built around the premise of destroying non-Muslim demographics. Would you agree ?
    hasnt this ' infrastructure ' been in place for over 1000 years ? presuambly the same principle applied to muslim generals of the past that need to raise armies to sacrifice their lives for some iislamic agenda they have created - and again i assume they the recruited the dregs of society to fulfil that role back then too.
 
 
 
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