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    My RS teacher said that there was a possible contradiction in the model, but withheld the reason why.

    Secondly, does the development of things like the welfare state and benefits nullify Marx's critique of capitalism- this country is still capitalist, and although it has major flaws, I don't hear of any mass exploitation of the poor in the UK?
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    (Original post by flibber)
    My RS teacher said that there was a possible contradiction in the model, but withheld the reason why.

    Secondly, does the development of things like the welfare state and benefits nullify Marx's critique of capitalism- this country is still capitalist, and although it has major flaws, I don't hear of any mass exploitation of the poor in the UK?
    This country is surely a mixed economy with capitalist tendencies.

    I suspect time and the acceptance of a greater role for the state in the direction of an economy has to a degree dulled Marx's critique of capitalism, large parts of his theories appear to have been overtaken by events, certainly in Europe.
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    (Original post by flibber)
    My RS teacher said that there was a possible contradiction in the model, but withheld the reason why.

    Secondly, does the development of things like the welfare state and benefits nullify Marx's critique of capitalism- this country is still capitalist, and although it has major flaws, I don't hear of any mass exploitation of the poor in the UK?
    The contradiction in the Marxist model is that everyone is supposed to be equal but in reality you need an administrator class to enforce this equality meaning that "some animals are more equal than others" (George Orwell)


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    The contradiction in the Marxist model is that everyone is supposed to be equal but in reality you need an administrator class to enforce this equality meaning that "some animals are more equal than others" (George Orwell)


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    A "legist" society

    Surely once equality has been achieved, the enforcers can then step down and become like the rest of us?
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    The contradiction in the Marxist model is that everyone is supposed to be equal but in reality you need an administrator class to enforce this equality meaning that "some animals are more equal than others" (George Orwell)


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    (Original post by flibber)
    Surely once equality has been achieved, the enforcers can then step down and become like the rest of us?
    Really, now... The technocrats can't step down once equality has been achieved, because equality is a lie, so the balance needs to be constantly redressed and maintained.
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    Really, now... The technocrats can't step down once equality has been achieved, because equality is a lie, so the balance needs to be constantly redressed and maintained.
    So the conclusion from Marxism applied to reality (ie Leninism) goes no closer to solving inequality than capitalism?
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    (Original post by flibber)
    So the conclusion from Marxism applied to reality (ie Leninism) goes no closer to solving inequality than capitalism?
    Marx believed human nature was malleable. This is the reason inequality is inevitable- because he was wrong. It isn't something to be solved, in actual fact, because it necessarily requires freedoms and liberty be removed. You end up with a dictatorship of some form or another (sham democracy, fascism or applied communism).
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    (Original post by HigherMinion)
    Marx believed human nature was malleable. This is the reason inequality is inevitable- because he was wrong. It isn't something to be solved, in actual fact, because it necessarily requires freedoms and liberty be removed. You end up with a dictatorship of some form or another (sham democracy, fascism or applied communism).
    Would you also say that Marxism is against human nature for making people equal reduces greatly the incentives for people to work harder?
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    (Original post by flibber)
    Would you also say that Marxism is against human nature for making people equal reduces greatly the incentives for people to work harder?
    It does, and it also encourages a culture of victimhood/entitlement. Everyone wants to be part of the oppressed minority; to become radicals without a war to fight. You should read Charles Sykes' book from '92 Nation of Victims, which details how the pursuit of equality has destroyed the American character, and it extends to other Western nations too.
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    (Original post by HigherMinion)
    It does, and it also encourages a culture of victimhood/entitlement. Everyone wants to be part of the oppressed minority; to become radicals without a war to fight. You should read Charles Sykes' book from '92 Nation of Victims, which details how the pursuit of equality has destroyed the American character, and it extends to other Western nations too.
    Sounds like an interesting book to read. I hope to read it once my GCSEs are over!
 
 
 
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