Does your uni put a muzzle on free speech?

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The first Free Speech University Rankings (FSUR) are live.

So far there are 115 results and uni's are ranked from red to green.

Red: has banned and actively censored ideas on campus

Amber: has chilled free speech through intervention

Green: has a hands-off approach to free speech.


Check here to see if your uni is in the red. Do you care?

For those of you applying to uni does this kind of ranking impact on your choices?
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TSR does.
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What a load of tripe that was. I lost brain cells reading through that website :facepalm:


Should have known better after spotting ''Sponsored by The Tab'' on the home page :rolleyes:
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Glad to see that Bristol Student Union has received a red card, since they banned Charlie Hebdo in the name of their "safe space" environment. :rolleyes:
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Yeah nice to see Cardiff on there. They stopped the dapper laughs gig for "misogyny" and when I questioned the SU on when they will be going ahead with disbanding the Christian and Muslim society, they went silent.
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Mine has a red, for banning of the Sun and Lads Mags in the LUSU shops on campus. Which I don't think is fair. There are other shops, you an still buy these and read them in the bars and such, they just don't sell them in two of the shops on campus (at least 2 other places on campus where you could get these if you wanted them - one of which is next door to the LUSU shop where you'd be less likely to be able to pick them up anyway).
It also has an amber for 'Bullying and Harrassment Policy', which I also don't agree with. Consistently attacking a person for a protected characteristic to the point where they don't feel safe is not acceptable.

I also think fresher society initiation being banned is a good thing too. Someone shouldn't be prevented from being on a sports team because they don't want to get drunk. I was on the pool team and we were notorious for getting wasted, but it wasn't something you had to do to be accepted, and all of our socials were invitations rather than anything else. All we asked was that you tried to make it to Monday practice and you did make it to Wednesday match.
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Wow. It almost made me believe that the "Red" universities actually implement legit censorship. No, turns out they just care for their students' well-being and want to prevent anyone from being offended. Way to go, Britain!

NB this is actually probably a good thing as it means that we do not have any problem with "dictatorships" etc since we're just complaining about sexual harassment being banned
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(Original post by powelsmartin)
Wow. It almost made me believe that the "Red" universities actually implement legit censorship. No, turns out they just care for their students' well-being and want to prevent anyone from being offended. Way to go, Britain!

NB this is actually probably a good thing as it means that we do not have any problem with "dictatorships" etc since we're just complaining about sexual harassment being banned
Sexual harassment is banned everywhere. :rolleyes: But Middlesex Uni has included sarcasm in its definition of harassment...
http://unihub.mdx.ac.uk/support/bullying/index.aspx
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(Original post by Josb)
Sexual harassment is banned everywhere. :rolleyes: But Middlesex Uni has included sarcasm in its definition of harassment...
http://unihub.mdx.ac.uk/support/bullying/index.aspx
Damn. Thank goodness I'm not going to Middlesex - I wouldn't be able to joke there.

I didn't mean harassment specifically - generally petty things that we take for granted to be "bad" and "wrong". How can one complain that those are banned?
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(Original post by minimarshmallow)
Mine has a red, for banning of the Sun and Lads Mags in the LUSU shops on campus. Which I don't think is fair. There are other shops, you an still buy these and read them in the bars and such, they just don't sell them in two of the shops on campus (at least 2 other places on campus where you could get these if you wanted them - one of which is next door to the LUSU shop where you'd be less likely to be able to pick them up anyway).
It also has an amber for 'Bullying and Harrassment Policy', which I also don't agree with. Consistently attacking a person for a protected characteristic to the point where they don't feel safe is not acceptable.

I also think fresher society initiation being banned is a good thing too. Someone shouldn't be prevented from being on a sports team because they don't want to get drunk. I was on the pool team and we were notorious for getting wasted, but it wasn't something you had to do to be accepted, and all of our socials were invitations rather than anything else. All we asked was that you tried to make it to Monday practice and you did make it to Wednesday match.
So you don't see any problem with the SU deciding which newspapers they want to sell? Now it's The Sun, Bristol has already banned Charlie Hebdo, next one will perhaps be the Daily Telegraph?
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So you don't see any problem with the SU deciding which newspapers they want to sell? Now it's The Sun, Bristol has already banned Charlie Hebdo, next one will perhaps be the Daily Telegraph?
No, I don't. It's a business decision as much as anything else. They stopped selling my favourite chocolate brownies in my third year and I was gutted, but I don't think they were discriminating against me, nor did they have a problem when I ate chocolate brownies from other shops in their spaces.
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Is it fair to use a student motion as an argument for freedom of speech being suppressed? One of the black marks against Oxford is an OUSU motion to disinvite Assange from the Oxford Union but it failed so is it fair to use as an argument?

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So you don't see any problem with the SU deciding which newspapers they want to sell? Now it's T
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he Sun, Bristol has already banned Charlie Hebdo, next one will perhaps be the Daily Telegraph?
They're deciding not to sell it. That's not the same thing as banning it or censoring it.
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What a load of rubbish this is. Oxford and Warwick are pretty liberal places in my mind (as well as my friends).
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(Original post by Chlorophile)
Is it fair to use a student motion as an argument for freedom of speech being suppressed? One of the black marks against Oxford is an OUSU motion to disinvite Assange from the Oxford Union but it failed so is it fair to use as an argument?

[FONT=Verdana]They're deciding not to sell it. That's not the same thing as banning it or censoring it.
This.

Do people seriously not have any problems other than walking down the street to the nearest news-stand? I think this deserves a round of applause! Good job, Mr Cameron and whoever else shapes our country into the wonderful problem-free world it is!
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How utterly ridiculous.
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Contributing to UCL's 'red' rating is the student union 'fighting fascism and racism'...

These rankings are nonsense.
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Not a surprise that King's is in red.
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Alot of unis I didn't expect to be in red.
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Northumbria is amber, the university has no policy restricting speech so that part is green. The union is red because it banned payday loan, sunbed and commercial pub/bar crawl adverts on campus. I'd be much more concerned with the uni than the union, although I don't think it would have factored into my decision making, I'm not someone whose likely to fall foul of any fetter on free speech.
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Cambridge should definitely be red. The feminist/general leftist lobby goes around banning whatever displeases it.

Actually, I suppose they just whine until, usually, someone caves, but the distinction isn't too great in practice imho.
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