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I'd not go for a certificate if I was going to apply to European universities (American don't care that much I think), look at the entrance requirements; often it says "obtain the Diploma with x points". Universities will probably accept certificates but you're probably at a disadvantage.

That said I'm pretty sure it is not possible to transfer any grades from one system to another. Well, of course you can have a mixture of A-level grades and IB certificate grades, but again I don't think it is of much use, keep it to one of the systems. Basically if you want to transfer to IB, hear with a school doing it and see what they let you do, but be prepared you 'lose' a year by having to do the full 2 years of IB. This because you will be hopelessly behind with the required coursework, and some other stuff like CAS; also some of the subject may suffer as e.g. a Physics AS will have scraped a little on the surface of many areas (I think at least), and when you get into the IB course you find that you know _a little_ of all the syllabus, but nothing in depth (and what has already been done you'd had to catch up yourself). The system is not very friendly for transfers...
Is it not? Why do you say that?
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Is it not? Why do you say that?
What in my post was that question directed to? (I realise it may be directed to several points I brought up)


In general what I said is based on personal experience and my knowledge of the rules, not saying that I am right. I just try to explain what I think about the matter.
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(Original post by nota bene)
What in my post was that question directed to? (I realise it may be directed to several points I brought up)


In general what I said is based on personal experience and my knowledge of the rules, not saying that I am right. I just try to explain what I think about the matter.
I'm sorry. I was referring to your last sentence.:hugs:
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Right, well I've done some calculations of hours of teaching (there has to be a minimum of 200 hours of teaching across both years for a standard level subject- so like 100 hours per year if I was doing it in 2 years; and 250 hours minimum for each higher level subject) and hours in a day in one year and that, and I have calculated that it would be possible to do the IB in one year, provided that one of the groups is a transfer of an A-level and there is 6 hours of lessons from Mon-Sat, accounting for all the weeks off a full-year that I have deducted for when the holidays and exams are. I'd then do my CAS before the school year started to ease up time for concentrating on the other subjects. And the qualifications that I am almost done in A-levels are broad enough to cover practically all the different components of what the IB has to be comprised of, hence allowing some manipulation of what subjects I propose to take for within my IB diploma. Just need to find somewhere that will let me do the IB in one year and offers the subjects I want to do! Any thoughts on how to go about that?

Also can I ask you peeps some other questions too? Like, if I choose the bilingual/near-bilingual option for French, when I'm actually neither of those things but will have an A2 in French and want to be bilingual and would be extremely desirable for my career, would that be a good idea or not? Would I struggle all the time? Because as long as I pass, I'll get a diploma saying I'm bilingual, right? What grade do you have to get to pass? Also can I put down my list of subjects that I propose for the diploma to have them checked and commented on, please, by someone here?

Also, the exam times for the IB are in may for schools in the Northern hemisphere, and in both november and May for schools in the Southern hemisphere, right?

How long would the TOK take to do? What is is comprised of and are its components?
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Errr ... the IBO will NOT take into account any A-levels you may have done. I think you may have misunderstood Bandev's answer - "But to get the diploma you would have to do the A-level subject, you say that are in the other groups, in IB."
To rephrase: even if you have done an A-level subject that you think should qualify for one of the requirements of the IB in terms of subject variety, you would need to TAKE THE EXAMS FOR IT IN THE IB for you to be awarded an IB Diploma. The IBO doesn't recognise A-levels at all as far as the IB diploma is concerned.
Of course if you have done a full A-level in that subject and still want to do the IB, you shouldn't find the IB course to be dramatically more challenging.

Also, you aren't allowed to do the programme in less than two academic years' time: it's a baccalaureate, not just a set of exams. Even if it were allowed, you wouldn't be able to fit in TOK, the extended essay and the multitude of internal assessments in just one year.

If you decide to do certificates, then there is no equivalent of a 'bilingual diploma'; you just get your grades listed on a piece of paper. In any case, having an A2 language isn't sufficient for a bilingual diploma anyway: you need either 2 A1 languages or you need to study a subject from groups 3 or 4 (possibly also 5, I don't remember) in a language different from your A1 language.

Why do you want to do the IB if you have some A-levels already?


TOK is at least a one-year course (I think 150 hours, but not sure on that) which encourages independent thought and analysis of knowledge claims; you're assessed by a 10-minute (approx) oral presentation on a topic of your choosing (of course if you choose an unsuitable topic you aren't going to get graded well!) and write a 1600-word essay on one of the ten titles which are set each year. The oral presentation is internally assessed whilst the essay is externally assessed.
The way it's taught is very different from school to school, so it's hard to say how it's going to work. In my school, we had TOK for three hours on late Wednesday afternoons in the first year of the IB only; each 'teacher' - we had both teachers from my school as well as university lecturers as guests - taught three sessions of three hours on a topic he/she was specialised in. But it's not really teaching: more like stimulating debate. You ask yourself questions such as 'Is firm belief ever a justifiable source of a knowledge claim?' or 'Is there a real difference in knowing how to swim, knowing a historical period, knowing a friend, knowing how to paint and knowing a scientific theory?' or 'All the other ways of knowing are controlled by language: does this statement offer a true relationship between language and other ways of knowing, ie perception, reason and emotion?' (these are rather loosely based on TOK essay titles as far as I can remember them).
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In any case, having an A2 language isn't sufficient for a bilingual diploma anyway: you need either 2 A1 languages or you need to study a subject from groups 3 or 4 (possibly also 5, I don't remember) in a language different from your A1 language.
If I'm not totally off track an A2 language actually does give you a bilingual diploma...
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i think it does. A2 does give you a bilingual diploma
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I'm sorry. I was referring to your last sentence.:hugs:
Why the system is not friendly for tranfers I think Sinuhe has made pretty clear already; there simply is (in general) not enough time to catch up with missed coursework, TOK, EE etcetera. There are a few people in my class who came to IB from elsewhere, all of them 'lost' a year by going into IB.
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Thanks guys. Some rethinking methinks then.
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Sorry to drag this thread of mine up again but I'd like to clarify something one more time: Group 1 is your language A and group 2 is your language B. So an A2 language would be in group 1 wouldn't it? Because I saw thast one school had classed it as in group 2.:p: And also I saw somewhere, I think it may have been the IBO website in fact, that the TOK is a one year course and some ppl on here have started and done the TOK in their 2nd year in a year. So the IB could be done in a year? Not that anybody might want to do that though in terms of work load and pressure.:p: And also, if you do the IB diploma but say you dont't do all the CAS or TOK, does that mean that you don't get your diploma but you still get your certificates in each group subject? Finally, is it possible/allowed to self teach an IB subject to yourself? I know that for some languages it is but what if it is a humanity or something else?
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no Group 1 is ur language A1, group 2 is language A2 or B. language A2 is in between language B and language A1... really what they mean with group1 is ur first language, and group 2 your second language
TOK in 1 year?^o) well it's not tha big of a subject, come to think of it we did skip alot of lessons because we had finished everything so early.. but really you can't judge the whole IB course by the TOK course:p: it's alot of work for one year...
yes if you don't do CAS, TOK, and EE you will get a certificate and not a diploma
not sure about the self study thing... I was informed that we can as long as the school provides someone to at least correct your IA...:dontknow:
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haha i remember this thread, i was gutted when i relalised HMS had meated out all the big replies before i had got home from school dam i was sad :p:
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haha i remember this thread, i was gutted when i relalised HMS had meated out all the big replies before i had got home from school dam i was sad :p:
;console; I still repped you didn't I?
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haha i remember this thread, i was gutted when i relalised HMS had meated out all the big replies before i had got home from school dam i was sad :p:
aww poor baby :p: ;console;
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OK, I have a question/something to ask of you ppl. Firstly I'm ambitious and crazy so :ninja: ;yes;. But if I do try to complete the IB in one year (:eek: remember I'm crazy :p: ) then can I rely on/please have your fellow support for me, instead of everyone trying to tell me how dissillusioned and crazy I am because I already know that.:s: I want to turn all the stress into something good for once.;yes; And I will need all the help, support and friendliness that I can get so less/none of the hostility, animosity and opposition would be great. I'm not sure whether anyone would let me try this at their school or something yet though, so I'll have to wait and see.
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yea sure go for it:p: (was that good?:ninja: ) I think I did the bulk of my IAs my 2nd year anyway, I was really enjoying the field trips and what not the 1st year.. but I don't think I could handle all the pressure in the first year... but aparently you seem up for it so, go you:party:
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I wasn't aware you were allowed to do the whole of IB in just 1 year...but maybe you are. We've had cert people doing the IB in 1 year in my school but no diploma before. but good luck! we'd support you :p: More IB people = good
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Just wanna point things out.

Group 1: is actually English Language (which can be either A1, A2, B)
Group 2: World Languages (which can be A1, A2, B, ab anitio)

You have to do atleast one A1 language, and if you do more than one at level A(1 or 2) you get a Bilingual qualification and it goes on your diploma.
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where's this two A1 langauge thing from? i swear u can't do two A1s u do first A1 and second A2
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Group 1: is actually English Language (which can be either A1, A2, B)
Group 2: World Languages (which can be A1, A2, B, ab anitio)
Uhm... No, it's not. From IBO.org

Group 1: language A1
Group 2: second language
Second language: A2, B, ab anitio.


I think somebody asked before if it was possible to do some subjects self-thought. For some subjects this might be hard (like in group 4 subjects where you need so and so many lab hours), but I have friends who did language A1 self-thought (has to be taken at SL though).
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