European Court rules agaisnt UK & says prisoners must be given the vote

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Unelected foreign judge yet again trying to make and influence UK law when we have an elected Parliament. Labour & Tory governments have all denied prisoner votes & toay European Court of Human Rights has said this is illegal

Poll-should prisoners get the vote?
do you think the European Court is interferring too much, were human rights originally intended for these type of situations or is the Court going too far?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...urt-rules.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/557...European-court
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At least they ruled out compensation. Judging from the quotes that seems to be all these guys want, free money.

No government is ever going to change this law. This close to an election especially.

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So what is the UK going to do about it? Labour embrace the socialist EUSSR model. The Conservatives seem to waver on a possible referendum. You have UKIP which is reasonably clear about it. Rather than completely withdraw though I think the UK needs to renegotiate the terms of membership - it should be restricted to trade conditions, not fundamental rights. That should be restricted to the elected government and their courts.
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The time to leave has long since passed
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(Original post by Chi019)
So what is the UK going to do about it? Labour embrace the socialist EUSSR model. The Conservatives seem to waver on a possible referendum. You have UKIP which is reasonably clear about it. Rather than completely withdraw though I think the UK needs to renegotiate the terms of membership - it should be restricted to trade conditions, not fundamental rights. That should be restricted to the elected government and their courts.
I don't see why we should have special rights that any other EU state isn't entitled to. Either we're 100% in the EU, or we're 100% out. We can't go picking and choosing what we like and expecting the rest of the EU to just suck it up.

Personally I don't support prisoner votes. If you've damaged society and broken the law, why should you be entitled to vote? You've shown a disregard for society, therefore you should have no part in shaping it. Once you're out of prison, your right to vote should be reinstated, but while you're in prison, I don't think you should have it.
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Old news.

They never said prisoners had to be given a bite. Only recommended it.

This ruling isn't binding.
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I don't have an opinion either way, but my thoughts are "they have no right to decide."
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(Original post by Ace123)
Unelected foreign judge
All judges are unelected. It's pretty vital in ensuring they do their job.

yet again trying to make and influence UK law when we have an elected Parliament.
Judges don't make laws, they interpret them. The UK Parliament ratified the European Convention on Human Rights.
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(Original post by Chi019)
So what is the UK going to do about it? Labour embrace the socialist EUSSR model. The Conservatives seem to waver on a possible referendum. You have UKIP which is reasonably clear about it. Rather than completely withdraw though I think the UK needs to renegotiate the terms of membership - it should be restricted to trade conditions, not fundamental rights. That should be restricted to the elected government and their courts.
I'm still astounded by the number of people who think the European Court of Human Rights has anything to do with the EU. Key fact: it doesn't. You leave the EU, you're still party to the ECHR.
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And this is why EU should have remained PURELY economical.

THE WHOLE EU NEEDS TO BE RENEGOCIATED.
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(Original post by L i b)
I'm still astounded by the number of people who think the European Court of Human Rights has anything to do with the EU. Key fact: it doesn't. You leave the EU, you're still party to the ECHR.
I suspect a majority of the population would consider the 2 linked in that if we were to withdraw from one.. it would be expected we also withdraw from the other.
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I suspect a majority of the population would consider the 2 linked in that if we were to withdraw from one.. it would be expected we also withdraw from the other.
There's no mechanism to withdraw from the ECHR, unlike the EU. There are obviously parties to the ECHR who are not members of the EU (Russia, Turkey etc).

I don't want to leave the EU, but it's at least a fathomable option. To attempt to repudiate our commitment to the ECHR would be a politically extreme thing to do.
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(Original post by siminam)
and this is why eu should have remained purely economical.

The whole eu needs to be renegociated.
the european court of human rights has nothing whatsoever to do with the european union.

Edit: That was supposed to be in big capital letters. Unfortunately TSR edits these things, it seems.
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There's no mechanism to withdraw from the ECHR, unlike the EU. There are obviously parties to the ECHR who are not members of the EU (Russia, Turkey etc).

I don't want to leave the EU, but it's at least a fathomable option. To attempt to repudiate our commitment to the ECHR would be a politically extreme thing to do.
I agree; however my point was what most people would expect to happen imo.
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(Original post by L i b)
the european court of human rights has nothing whatsoever to do with the european union.

Edit: That was supposed to be in big capital letters. Unfortunately TSR edits these things, it seems.
The Council of Europe & EU are of course different organisations but all EU members have to be part of the ECHR so we have to stay with the ECHR as long as we are in the EU, if we quit the EU we can introduce our own UK bill of rights which would be far better
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(Original post by Ace123)
The Council of Europe & EU are of course different organisations but all EU members have to be part of the ECHR so we have to stay with the ECHR as long as we are in the EU, if we quit the EU we can introduce our own UK bill of rights which would be far better
It is already government policy to introduce a UK Bill of Rights regardless. There's nothing specifically requiring an EU member-state to be party to the ECHR, but it would likely create considerable problems if one was not - particularly if one had illegally withdrawn from it.
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More people who don't live here wanting a say in how our country is run? Oh joy.

I don't really care whether prisoners are given the vote or not, but having someone who doesn't even live here making the decision for us is just plain wrong. Freedom of movement and aspects of positive trade are the only reasons to stay in the EU as far as I'm concerned, we don't need to be a member in the United States of Europe.
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(Original post by Drunk Punx)
More people who don't live here wanting a say in how our country is run? Oh joy.
People who live in Europe saying how Europe should be run, in line with principles signed up to by every state in Europe.

Freedom of movement and aspects of positive trade are the only reasons to stay in the EU as far as I'm concerned, we don't need to be a member in the United States of Europe.
The ignorance is becoming overwhelming. As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.
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The UK government signed up to the ECHR, they should do as the court says because that I what they said they would do.


I REALLY don't understand how or why people think that leaving the EU will change this decision or have any influence on it. No matter how many times people are told, they just refuse to listen... almost like they have an agenda...
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(Original post by L i b)
It is already government policy to introduce a UK Bill of Rights regardless. There's nothing specifically requiring an EU member-state to be party to the ECHR, but it would likely create considerable problems if one was not - particularly if one had illegally withdrawn from it.
The Tories have spoken about a UK bills of rights but as usual are all talk, you cannot do it whilst in the EU. You have to be part of thr ECHR if you are an EU member you have no choice
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